Why not share signs/symbols that we think may be KGC/ Outlaw ETC with out arguing about which one they are....or are not? When we start the negative stuff we all lose! some one post one and I will also.
I would agree that argueing over who left something behind can be counter-productive but it can also be helpful, just like trying to determine what is and isn't a real treasure marker/sign.
Thanks for sharing your pics. ( I think I thought I may have even saw my own initials on the first one) You made an excellent point about other's point of view. If we can keep it on a debate level w/o some of the personal attacks we may all come out ahead. I really like your bottom photo. Here is a pic of what my "hoot owl"/"knee tree" was pointing at.
The ancient? Are you talking about the bird? If so, yes, this is part of a Spanish trail.
OK, I've marked up you photo for clarity on my question. The Ancient is the large profile I outlined and tagged. There is your shadow bird, but also an eagle's head and a full eagle body. The tree has 2 goggle eyed birds or whatever you want to call them. Lastly, the seated figure; maybe a bear.
BUT, my original question was about the Ancient man's large profile. I recognize this photo from a previous posting.
The carving that I've tagged as an eagle's head MIGHT actually be a TURTLE's head...............climbing up from it's nest. If so, please remember what Old Dog taught us about THAT.
" 'Polls' are surveys of uninformed people who think it's possible to get the answer wrong." .........Ann Coulter
Yea, I have posted this photo before in a couple of places.
This is where our theories on how things were done differ. I don't see all of that other stuff. I think the bird is the only thing that matters and it gives a direction and instruction. In this case the bird is in the valley floor and he is telling you to go up the valley and stay high on the side.
If you do that you come to a peep hole that shows you this. I apologize for it being out of focus but this was taken with my first digital camera and I think it was all of 1mp and didn't have the zoom I needed to focus throught the hole.
alec,
I have absolutely no reason to doubt you on this. I'm just presenting some other items to consider. Maybe this spot is a junction for more than one trail.
Out of pure curiosity, what the heck is that material that makes up the turtle's head / eagle's head EYE. That thing just jumps out at you when you look at that photo.
" 'Polls' are surveys of uninformed people who think it's possible to get the answer wrong." .........Ann Coulter
The rock formation is a mix of sandstone and limestone. The actual eye that you are referring to appears to be an old tree branch in the crevice behind the "head".
That's a nice photo Hoss and that's a very good lesson about photographing a carving or marker for that matter. I always take several photos from lots of angles, close ups and wide shots. Digital cameras make it easy to do that and not spend a fortune. You just never know when you might need to see something and can't be at the site or when something may disappear or change.
I'll have to take your word on the meaning since it sounds like you already worked it out. I don't deal much with tree carvings in my neck of the woods, mostly rock carvings and carry around type maps.
Autocad, huh? That's a new one on me.
Here's one for ya. Found this one working a line. The flat top boulder was imbedded into the ground and the center of the boulder was dug out. Then they placed a rock in the dug out part and filled in back in with dirt.
Again, we are back to differing opinions, for the most part, I don't think anything that you find marked on a tree or rock is going to be so precise that you need an exact angle or heading but that's just me. I haven't run into anything that precise in the field yet.
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You made an excellent point about other's point of view. If we can keep it on a debate level w/o some of the personal attacks we may all come out ahead. I really like your bottom photo. Here is a pic of what my "hoot owl"/"knee tree" was pointing at.
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