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  1. #31

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    We may have two problems finding the cannons. First the Red has recently had lock and dams installed and they have raised the water level some. Second after thinking about it all day I can vaguely remember reading that the corps of engineers found some cannons when they were dredging the river for the locks. I am not going to swear that they found them and will call the corps after the holidays. Also no one has commented about the second picture in the post. I am still curious to what other peoples impression are. I got the book about Murrells treasure vault and it was pretty useless. All it said was that he operated in the neutral strip but I already knew that, I have his name carved into a Beech tree. The author of the book didn't find the treasure but that doesn't suprise me, he was looking in the wrong spot.
    All the best

  2. #32

    Jan 2005
    105
    1 times

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Yo! Rebel here: Burr Ferry? (for A. Burr...)

  3. #33

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    This is fun. I gave the lock to my dad when they took my daughter for Christmas vacation. It was so rusty that I thought it would crumble if I tried to clean it but I was wrong. Dad put it on a bench grinder with a wire wheel and it cleaned up very well. It is older than I thought and made by Yale and Towne who made modern locks in 1861. I have a lock collector book being ordered by my local library and I hope it will give me a exact date. The lock was buried exactly in between the waterfalls. Last Tuesday I went hunting and found a cotten scale sticking out of the ground. It had horseshoe magnets on it that easily made my compass spin. It also had a wood burning stove door under it. The cotten scale pointed directly toward the lock from about 300 yards away. My Dad is so excited about the lock he has purchased a metal detector and is bringing my daughter home early so he can go hunting with me. I also bought a 10 inch coil for my detector. It seems to double the distance it can detect but I have only tried it in my house.
    All the best

  4. #34

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Me, my father and girlfriend went hunting Monday and had a great time. Daddy was unable to go a second day in a row so he and mom both left today. He found a silver 50 cent piece 1936 in good shape. She found what I think is the most significant find and that was a very old single bit ax that appeared to be new when it was buried. This is the second ax that we have found there. I will put hers on a wire wheel and clean it up later today. I did not get to do any detecting I just did the digging for the two of them. I went and looked at the tree that had the date 1720 and I was wrong the 2 was a 3 that appeared to be a sideways M. I have not figured out the significance but I wanted to correct that and if you look close at the pic you can see it. I still want someone to give me their opinion of the first picture of the post. The lock collectors book still has not arrived at the library, when it does I will give the date of the padlock I found.Hope everyone had a great Holiday
    All the best

  5. #35

    May 2003
    USA
    205
    6 times

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Hi, If you found the axe heads and pad lock in the ground, just a few inches below the surface, in the vicinity of the carved trees, then it is a good chance that they are kgc clues. By not leaving them and documenting them properly, you can lose all hope of finding any treasure. I say this from experience.

    On the other hand, generally the clues left near the carvings are clues to finding the treasure and is not the area the treasure is located at. Where the treasure is at will be another set of buried markers and those are the ones you do NOT want to screw up.
    Good luck,
    Boattow

  6. #36

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Thanks Boattow. I wrote down the direction of the cotton scale and both ax heads. I was not able to get a direction from the lock because it took a tumble when I unearthed it. The first ax head (hatchet) was buried with the cotton scale, magnets and woodstove door. The second was by itself but there was a plowpoint about 25 yards away from it. I wrote the coordinates for it as well. Did they use plowpoints? I did mark them on my GPS and wrote the coordinates in my notebook in case I lose the GPS. I am trying to be careful. Thanks for the advice and I am truly grateful for anything you tell me. Roger
    All the best

  7. #37

    May 2003
    USA
    205
    6 times

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Hi Roger,
    Farm implements are commonly used as markers as well as axe heads, horseshoes, chains, wagon parts, stove parts, etc. GPS coordinates are NOT near accurate enough. It is very tempting to remove and keep these items but I highly recommend against doing it. I started out doing that and then found as I gained experience and started to understand what was going on, I would need to go back to markers for different reasons. Once removed you will never find the exact spot. Go dig them back up after you find the treasure for souvenirs but not before. A GPS is only accurate to about 10feet at best. When you find a hit on your detector, slowly scrape away the dirt with a small trowel until you hit metal. Then put your finger on it with your non-digging hand so that they don't take a tumble. Use the other hand to start removing dirt with your fingers. Do not go fast, take your time, once you remove a piece and don't know down to the degree how it was pointing, you have created a lost treasure. Try to figure out how it is pointing. It might be that the object points to the next marker. It may have a notch that is actually pointing to the next clue. Now get this, it might be pointing to the next clue and a notch on the marker is giving you the bearing from the next clue to the clue after that. I have seen all these senarios. Always measure the distance between the markers in feet, not yards. I use autocad to draw a map of the pieces as I uncover them. I can spend a day out in the woods and uncover only 2 markers because I'm so careful about digging, documenting (measurements, pictures, videos, etc) It is important to go slow and be methodical and logical.
    Good luck,
    Boattow
    PS, I keep getting PMs calling me Bob...I'm not Bob. When I first started this, I contacted Bob and he blew me off. I've had to figure this out as I went and I hate to see others make the same mistakes. It is one thing to screw up chalking a beech tree, you can redo it. It is another thing to screw up an iron marker, you can't go back and fix it once you've messed it up.

  8. #38

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Thanks Boatow, I have been thinking today. What you said about a chip in the buried clue giving directions. The ax head we found Monday did not have a chip but where the handle entered, the metal had a triangle shape to it. I did take a accurate reading with my compass but I used the top of the ax as my line. The pointer where the handle goes in would be 90 degrees different. Please give me your thoughts on this. Now the ax, shovel and plow point were about 1/4 to 1/2 miles and over a hill from the lock and cotten scale. I am hoping these are the treasure markers and not just a second set of directions. Thanks Roger
    All the best

  9. #39

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    I decided that I needed a better detector today I ordered a two box Master Hunter made by Garrett. I also got to talk to a wonderful lady 80+ years young who told me about a nearby cave that both James and Murrell used when they were in the area (different dates). She told me some other legends one in particular was about a slave preacher who was owned by a nearby Baptist Church then sold to the Methodist Church for their preacher. It also seems the Masonic lodge then bought him and freed him. She has the minutes from the church that first had him. I could not have imagined such a story but she had the proof. I was hoping she had a map but she did have a folder on Murrell and I know the man she loaned to and he is to make me a copy. It will be a loss when historians like her leave us. The visit was 2 hours long but seemed only minutes. I plan to go back real soon and talk to her with a recorder. I also plan on taking my new detector to my site this weekend and using it. All the best, Roger
    All the best

  10. #40

    May 2003
    USA
    205
    6 times

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Let me just say this. I had one of those. I was greatly disappointed. Got rid of it. The depth reports were very hyped. Bought a bottom of the line large loop pulse detector. It had twice the depth the Garrett had. I use high end pulse detectors and magnetometers exclusively now.
    Good luck,
    Boattow

  11. #41

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Don't tell me that boattow. Now I really have buyers remorse. It was killing me to spend the money now I am going to be nerve-racked till I test it out. I still appreciate your help and if the Garrett can do 1/4 of what they claim I will be in good shape. Thanks Roger
    All the best

  12. #42

    Nov 2004
    Reeves, LA
    1

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Hi,

    Louisiana's Kisatchie Hills, by Mabell R. Kadlecek and Marion C. Bullard might be of some interest to you. It's a book on local folklore and mentions the Murrells and treasure hunting in the Neutral Zone. I've researched the area for about 10 years now after hearing some family stories from the Kisatchie area. There's lots of history and 'signs' in the area.

    Sharon

  13. #43

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Thanks Sharon, and welcome to the treasure.net. I will get the book you suggest.
    All the best

  14. #44

    Jun 2003
    Massachusetts
    686
    5 times

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    the golden mean is definitly kgc.knights golden circle .

  15. #45

    Oct 2006
    Mansfield La.
    bounty hunter
    37

    Re: KGC clues found with John Murrell, put on your thinking caps!!!!!

    Hello Kiddrock, The phi under Murrells name is I think a obvious clue. The book Bob B. wrote talks about a the caches being laid out in a circular pattern. The phi formula is basically a circle with a in increasing radius. Also the three in the date tree looks more like a Greek Sigma more than the number 3. I have been thinking and doing research and the Greeks used their letters for numbers similar to the Romans. The Romans probably copied and made some improvements to their number system. Since many of the Greek numbers look like our letters it would be easy to hide them and make them look like Initials and graffiti. I have been asking everone in just about every post what they think the first picture is. Would you mind giving me your opinion? Thanks Roger
    All the best

 

 
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