WAS FRANKLIN PIERCE A KNIGHT OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE?

WAS FRANKLIN PIERCE K.G.C. ?

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January 6, 1853 – Andover, Massachusetts, United States: The Boston & Maine noon express, traveling from Boston to Lawrence, Massachusetts, derails at forty miles an hour when an axle breaks at Andover, and only one coach goes down an embankment and breaks in two. Only one is killed, the eleven-year-old son of President-elect Franklin Pierce, but it is initially reported that Pierce is also a fatality. He was on board but is only badly bruised. The baggage car and the locomotive remain on the track. President Pierce's inaugural ball is cancelled as the family grieves over the loss of their son

January 23, 1853 caboose was detached from train cars around the Mason–Dixon line in a forest during a blizzard

March 4, 1853 – Mount Union, Pennsylvania, United States: A Pennsylvania Railroad emigrant train stalls on the main line with engine problems in the Allegheny Mountains near Mount Union, and when the brakeman sent to flag protect the rear of the stopped train falls asleep in a shanty, an oncoming mail train shatters the rear car, killing seven,

April 16, 1853 – Cheat River, Virginia, United States: Two Baltimore & Ohio passenger cars tumble down a hundred foot ravine, ironically..neither train car had a broken axle

April 25, 1853 – Chicago, United States: An eastbound Michigan Central Railroad express bound for Toledo, Ohio, rams a Michigan Southern Railroad emigrant train at level Grand Crossing on the city's South Side at night. Twenty-one German emigrants are killed.

May 6, 1853 – Norwalk rail accident, Connecticut, United States: First major U.S. railroad bridge disaster occurs when a New Haven Railroad engineer neglects to check for open drawbridge signal.

August 12, 1853 – in the village of Valley Falls in the town of Cumberland, Rhode Island, United States: Thirteen passengers are killed and fifty injured in a head-on collision on the main line of the Providence and Worcester Railroad between a southbound seven-car excursion train with 475 on board

October 5, 1853 – Straffan rail accident, Ireland; In a thick fog at twilight the engine of a Dublin-bound passenger train fails with a broken piston rod. The fireman is instructed to warn a following goods train, and to instruct the driver of the goods to proceed so as to push the passenger train into Dublin. Instead the goods train approaches at full speed, wrecking the passenger train and killing 18 people.

December 1853 – Secaucus, New Jersey, United States: The same two trains that crashed on May 9, 1853, a Paterson and Hudson River Railroad emigrant train and an Erie Railroad express, collide

that is every train wreck in 1953

1991 train axle breaks and a Board determined that the derailment was caused by the failure of the axle at the L-2 location of club car No. 3474 when in-service stresses placed on the axle from shelled wheels exceeded the designed "endurance limit" of the axle. this was not a passenger car. another in 1913 qnd one time in 1951 axles broke for the same reasons.

look fpr yourselves List of rail accidents (before 1880) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Trains can brake an axle right??

1831
June 17, nr. Charleston, S.C.: boiler exploded on America’s first passenger locomotive, The Best Friend of Charleston, injuring the fireman and the engineer.
1833
Nov. 8, nr. Heightstown, N.J.: world’s first train wreck and first passenger fatalities recorded. A 24-passenger Camden & Amboy train derailed due to a broken axle, killing 2 passengers and injuring all others. Former president John Quincy Adams and Cornelius Vanderbilt, who later made a fortune in railroads, were aboard.:icon_scratch:
1853
May 6, Norwalk, Conn.: New Haven Railroad train ran through an open drawbridge and plunged into the Norwalk River. 46 passengers were crushed to death or drowned. This was the first major drawbridge accident.
1856
July 17, Camp Hill, nr. Ft. Washington, Pa.: 2 Northern Penn trains crashed head-on. Approximately 50–60 people died, mostly children on their way to a Sunday school picnic.
1876
Dec. 29, Ashtabula, Ohio: Lake Shore train fell into the Ashtabula River when the bridge it was crossing collapsedduring a snowstorm; 92 people were killed.
1887
Aug. 10, nr. Chatsworth, Ill.: a burning railroad trestle collapsed while a Toledo, Peoria & Western train was crossing, killing 81 and injuring 372.
1904
Aug. 7, Eden, Colo.: train derailed on bridge during flash flood; 96 killed.
1910
March 1, Wellington, Wash.: 2 trains swept into canyon by avalanche; 96 dead.
1915
May 22, Quintinshill, Scotland: 2 passenger trains and troop train collided at Quintinshill near Gretna Green; 227 killed.
1917
Dec. 12, Modane, France: nearly 550 killed in derailment of troop train near mouth of Mt. Cenis tunnel.
1918
July 9, Nashville, Tenn.: 101 killed in a 2-train collision near Nashville.
Nov. 1, New York City: derailment of subway train in Malbone St. tunnel in Brooklyn left 92 dead.
1926
March 14, Virilla River Canyon, Costa Rica: an overcrowded train carrying pilgrims derailed while crossing the Colima Bridge, killing over 300 people and injuring hundreds more.
1939
Dec. 22, nr. Magdeburg, Germany: more than 125 killed in collision; 99 killed in another wreck near Friedrichshafen.
1943
Dec. 16, nr. Rennert, N.C.: 72 killed in derailment and collision of 2 Atlantic Coast Line trains.
1944
March 2, nr. Salerno, Italy: 521 suffocated when Italian train stalled in tunnel.
1949
Oct. 22, nr. Nowy Dwor, Poland: more than 200 reported killed in derailment of Danzig-Warsaw express.
1950
Nov. 22, Richmond Hill, N.Y.: 79 died when one Long Island Railroad commuter train crashed into rear of another.
1951
Feb. 6, Woodbridge, N.J.: 85 died when Pennsylvania Railroad commuter train plunged through temporary overpass.
1952
Oct. 8, Harrow-Wealdstone, England: 2 express trains crashed into commuter train; 112 dead.
1957
Sept. 1, nr. Kendal, Jamaica: about 175 killed when train plunged into ravine.
Sept. 29, nr. Montgomery, West Pakistan: express train crashed into standing oil train; nearly 300 killed.
Dec. 4, St. John’s, England: 92 killed and 187 injured as one commuter train crashed into another in fog.
1960
Nov. 14, Pardubice, Czechoslovakia: 2 trains collided; 110 dead, 106 injured.
1962
May 3, nr. Tokyo: 163 killed and 400 injured when train crashed into wreckage of collision between inbound freight train and outbound commuter train.
1963
Nov. 9, nr. Yokohama, Japan: 2 passenger trains crashed into derailed freight train, killing 162.
1964
July 26, Custoias, Portugal: passenger train derailed; 94 dead.
1970
Feb. 4, nr. Buenos Aires: 236 killed when express train crashed into standing commuter train.
1972
July 21, Seville, Spain: head-on crash of two passenger trains killed 76.
1972
Oct. 6, nr. Saltillo, Mexico: train carrying religious pilgrims derailed and caught fire, killing 204 and injuring over 1,000.
Oct. 30, Chicago: 2 Illinois Central commuter trains collided during morning rush hour; 45 dead and over 200 injured.
1974
Aug. 30, Zagreb, Yugoslavia: train entering station derailed, killing 153 and injuring over 60.
1981

name the one other time it happened??better yet name the one other time that it happened when a president was on board.......and it only happened to his train car...:icon_scratch:
 

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William Rufus DeVane King (April 7, 1786 – April 18, 1853) was an American politician and diplomat. He was the 13th Vice President of the United States for about six weeks in 1853 before his death. Earlier he had been elected as a U.S. Representative from North Carolina and a Senator from Alabama. He was Franklin Pierce's running mate, and they won by a land slide in 1852.
King would be succeeded in the vice presidency after his death by none other than John C. Breckinridge, the future vice president of the C.S.A. and shining light of the Knights of the Golden Circle. That means that Franklin Pierce had Jefferson Davis the future president of the C.S.A., as his Secretary of War and John C. Breckinridge, the future vice president of the C.S.A positioned in his cabinet. Now what do you think? Was Franklin Pierce K.G.C. ?
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John C Breckinridge was vice president under James Buchannan,and ran against Lincoln in 1861.He was CSA Sec of War,not CSA VP.
It is interesting to note that Pierce wanted to appoint Judah P Benjamin to the Supreme Court,but Benjamin declined.Benjamin was once head of the KGC,an associate of Albert Pike,and later CSA Sec of State,who set up the South's blockade and spy network.
http://knightsofthegoldencircle.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/reflections-on-mwgm-albert-pike/
 

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Other associates of Pike,were Louisana Sen John Slidel,whose nephew in law,August Belmont of the Rothschild Bank,paid for Pierce's 1852 election campaign,and John Quitman,Scottish Rite,became Pierce's US Attorney General.
In 1857,Albert Pike,Judah Benjamin,and John Slidel formed the MYSTICK KREWE OF COMUS and met at the Pickwick Club in New Orleans to discuss political activities.In 1859,Pike inducted John C Breckinridge into the Scottish Rite Supreme Council,and in 1860,Caleb Cushing,another Pike Scottish Rite associate,became Breckinridge's campaign manager for President.Many plots within plots,all connected to the KGC.
 

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John Quitman,Scottish Rite,became Pierce's US Attorney General. I did not know that, very good info on these k.G.C. members and how they worked together for the same goals.
thanks for posting it, L:icon_thumright:L.C.
 

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John C Breckinridge was vice president under James Buchannan,and ran against Lincoln in 1861.He was CSA Sec of War,not CSA VP.
It is interesting to note that Pierce wanted to appoint Judah P Benjamin to the Supreme Court,but Benjamin declined.Benjamin was once head of the KGC,an associate of Albert Pike,and later CSA Sec of State,who set up the South's blockade and spy network.
http://knightsofthegoldencircle.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/reflections-on-mwgm-albert-pike/

pretty sure he was vice president of the C.S.A. by the close of the war. But i will double check my info.
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John C Breckinridge was vice president under James Buchanan,and ran against Lincoln in 1861. This is a key piece of information with many trails. It is good to see you mention it. There is more here than meets the eye. this was a very important time to the K.G.C. the new generation, starting to assume their appointed positions in the organization and the federal government!
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Has anyone else noticed that all of Franklin Pierce's actions in office reflect a mirror image of the
" KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE AGENDA"???????????????

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John C Breckinridge was vice president under James Buchanan,and ran against Lincoln in 1861. This is a key piece of information with many trails. It is good to see you mention it. There is more here than meets the eye. this was a very important time to the K.G.C. the new generation, starting to assume their appointed positions in the organization and the federal government!
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According to what I read (R & I) last night, REBEL gov't in early 1862 saw need of a NEW Order to replace KGC; to include Yanks with State Rights "interest", and who were "with" the REBELS. Order of American Knights (OAK) was the "PHOENIX" that rose up out of the ashes of the KGC - Richmond, Va. @ 1862/63. 1st Degree: TEMPLE DEGREE in the COUNTY region(s) of CASTLE (Lodge); 2nd Degree: GRAND COUNCIL DEGREE of each State; 3rd Degree: SUPREME COUNCIL, located in NYC, was the "gov't"/HQ of OAk. Info is from THE GREAT NORTH-WESTERN CONSPIRACY - In All It's Startling Details... by I. Windslow Ayer. KGC was "Southern" and PURELY Southern Plantations owners with "slave-owning" interests". Look for LOST Southern Plantations with dried up WELLS/VAULTS. HH! GOOD LUCK! BTW... in THIS "case", "North-WESTERN" means the FREE STATES of Missouri, Kansas, etc.
 

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John Quitman,Scottish Rite,became Pierce's US Attorney General. I did not know that, very good info on these k.G.C. members and how they worked together for the same goals.
thanks for posting it, L:icon_thumright:L.C.
John A Quitman was also involved in Gen Narciso Lopez 1848 CUBAN EXPEDITION,a KGC plan to add Cuba to the southern states.Others involved in the planing stages include-Duncan Farrar Kenner,Judah P Benjamin,Stephen Mallory,Jefferson Davis,and John C Breckinridge.
On to Cuba
Pierre Soule,a KGC New Orleans associate of Judah P Benjamin,financed William Walker's takeover of Nicaragua,all
a part of closing the "Golden Circle".
Biographies that reveal many of the KGC during that period,and their connections to each other.
http://carOlescOTT.tripod.com/figures.htm
 

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I had read several times that he was k.G.C. backed but I have not found any info on the Judah Benjamin-walker connection.

thanks for posting it ,
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"John A Quitman was also involved in Gen Narciso Lopez 1848 CUBAN EXPEDITION,a KGC plan to add Cuba to the southern states."

He felt so strongly about it that he resigned upon the failure to obtain Cuba.

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I had read several times that he was k.G.C. backed but I have not found any info on the Judah Benjamin-walker connection.

thanks for posting it ,
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Pierre Soule of New Orleans was the connection.Benjamin,like an octopus,had his tenacles in many operations,some directly,others more covertly.If you look at Jefferson Davis's cabinet,there were several involved with the KGC way before the Secession.
 

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Pierre Soule of New Orleans was the connection.Benjamin,like an octopus,had his tenacles in many operations,some directly,others more covertly.If you look at Jefferson Davis's cabinet,there were several involved with the KGC way before the Secession.

so, there is nothing tieing Benjamen to walker directly?

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The coded ciphers we have implicated more than one person. The Iron hand as it was before it was made of the masses. When it was more like the SS and full of specialized individuals. It is ironic how the O.A.K. used the writings, and or oratory of their most despised rivals to code some of their messages. They did not use what they held high, as much as what or who they despised to make code out of. Very spiteful organization!

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so, there is nothing tieing Benjamen to walker directly?

L.C.
All the connections were formed during Pierce's Presidency.Notice all the familar names in the Cuban Expedition:
http://www.historyof cuba.com/history/race/South1.htm
Many of the plots were concieved in New Orleans by Pike,Benjamin,and Slidel at their MYSTIC KREWE OF COMUS meetings held at the Pickwick Club.Others involved at the meetings were August Belmont (married to Slidel's neice),a banker connected to Rothschilds Bank (follow the money,or trace it back),and Pierre Soule,involved with both the Cuban Expedition and William Walker's takeover of Nicaragua.President Franklin Pierce officially acknowledged Walker's Nicaraguan government againist complaints from Congress and some members of his cabinet.
John A Slidel became the CSA Commissioner to France.
It is easy to determine that the acorn does not fall from the OAK.
 

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President Franklin Pierce officially acknowledged Walker's Nicaraguan government againist complaints from Congress and some members of his cabinet.


This I know, as it is just one in many facts that Franklin Pierce was a Knight of the Golden Circle. We have further proof that will surface on this subject.

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