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    By "legends", an AMERICAN example would be Sov. Grand Commander (Grand-Master) Albert Pike making Jesse James a 32nd, so that J.J. could be "in charge" of KGC $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. THERE was a "term" for such honor, will to look it up. KGC COMPTROLLER.
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    J.J. was NOT a "earned" degrees Freemason; his brother, Frank WAS a Master Mason, and had the FULL SET of book by Shakespeare (the Codes...?)… dunno.
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    Codes...? PROBABLY the Hebrew alphabet of the KABBALAH (Francis Bacon also used such), Baconian Codes, MANY others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senior deacon View Post
    Now does any one have any knowledge of the order of the Golden Dawn. Morton would have be a high enough ranking in the government that he would have fit in with that bunch. Maybe one of the reasons for his whispering bench. Golden Dawn Golden Circle may be a stretch. The tree of life may have been central to both O. A. K. and the Golden Dawn.

    Senior Deacon
    GD was a "Brit thing"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Scottish Rite/SJ was MORE like KGC/OAK in MHO; & Bro. Albert Pike is the "connection".
    That is when the Emerald Tablet and Hermes came into play for Freemasonry and Albert Pike shaped it with his own hand. It is also part of the reason I can now see the symbols on the lead maps for what they really are in some cases, but in others not so much. Being sent with the Dog to guide us on the first leg, as well as being sent forth on a quest to find severed pieces of the map so it could be reassembled and used is also a big clue of who is behind it. I believe that this K.G.C. map and other relics that have been found on this trail were made and possibly laid out by a certain man who was fluent in Astronomy, Alchemy, Hermeticism, Freemasonry craft and rituals, Spanish and K.G.C. treasure symbols as well as the mother tung spoken by every Indian tribe through hand signs and gestures, and that is just a start on the list of things the man would have had to be fluent in to conceive the map pieces and layout as well as the symbolism and ideas put forth and tasks to perform for the seeker of this K.G.C. cache trail and vault. People often ask or make the statement, " Why would the K.G.C. bury their riches and not go back to retrieve it themselves during their lifetime?" I believe in some Southern states they did just that very thing, by remnants of the K.G.C. that were still hanging on after the Civil War that were in it by that time for themselves or possibly their local castle of Knights. Those remnants of the "Old" K.G.C. operating from ?-1865 hung on for God only knows, and in some cases, I believe it is very possible that they are still hanging on South of the Mason Dixon Line. In our case, (North of the Line) the members involved were the upper echelon of the K.G.C., as in U.S. Presidents and some or all of their immediate cabinets as well as the disciples of the Brotherhood of the K.G.C. who were stationed throughout this land and in other countries. In our immediate case some of the Knights cut ties with the National K.G.C. in 1863 and formed the O.A.K. which carried out another plan that was first conceived and began during the peak of the Civil War shortly after Clement Vallandigham was evicted to the South and he went to Richmond to meet with Jefferson Davis and others who were involved. The bottom line in my answer to the question "Why didn't they retrieve it for themselves?," is they didn't dig the major caches because the men who knew about them were few, and they all were "KNIGHTS" and they held themselves and each other to a code of standards becoming of a "KNIGHT", and I also believe that in most of their cases, before they were Knights they were Freemasons or Oddfellows, or all of the above plus more. In some cases, they were or would also become Cryptic Masons and O.A.K., but in most cases South of the Mason Dixon, they would always be K.G.C. after their 1863 local reorganization if any took place in their neck of the woods. Almost every man on my list died a multi-millionaire and if they had kids they were born filthy rich and became millionaires, and those offspring continued in most cases to pass their money forward to generation after generation. ALL of it was new money. The fact that this specific K.G.C. trail was added to by the O.A.K. after 1896 proves they were making BIG dollars by then and they left money trails like highways doing it! It was part of their code to pay it forward without question for future generations to reap, but they made damn sure those generations that reaped it would be worthy of their standards or at least know them. I am sure that in certain cases GREED effected some Knights and caused them to lower their standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Based on my R & I, memberships; BLUE LODGE is Degrees 1-3 (Master Mason), YORK RITE 4-7 (Royal Arch) is a continuation. Degrees 9-10 is Knights Templar (MASONIC). Scottish Rite (32 Degrees) is MORE Esoteric (I took such FIRST, & ENJOYED it). There are Dues you MUST pay, each year or demit). There are many "Allied Degrees" & it can get VERY expensive; I looked at it an a INVESTOR... was I getting the "pay-back"/dividends I wanted...? In the Beale Ciphers/Treasure story, James B. Ward was a Free-mason who was suspended for NON-PAYMENT OF DUES.
    Those little motorcycles take some big bucks to ride in the parade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    By "legends", an AMERICAN example would be Sov. Grand Commander (Grand-Master) Albert Pike making Jesse James a 32nd, so that J.J. could be "in charge" of KGC $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. THERE was a "term" for such honor, will to look it up. KGC COMPTROLLER.
    Jesse sounds like an unlikely candidate for Comptroller considering his education and financial experience next to the fellas I have been looking at with banks and purse strings galore Rebel. I believe that Albert Pike made Jesse as you say though because I have read other occasions that were similar where Pike's authority was concerned. You could count the 33rd degree Freemasons on your hands in the early and mid-1800s in the Midwest, and I will bet the 32nds were few and far between as well.

    P.S. There is only ONE 33rd degree freemason I have ever seen with a Rising Sun of the K.G.C. sitting on top of his O.A.K. monument!

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    Yes, DOG STAR is VERY important...
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    Those little motorcycles take some big bucks to ride in the parade!

    L.C.
    If yer not "direction-challenged", you can do it... HA! NO on the Clowns; thought about the Oriental Band, LOVED the music... made several referrals to Shriners Hospitals...
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    President Jefferson Davis left Choctaw Indians to guard wagon loads of Confederate Treasure hidden in silver mines in South Carolina on their flight South. The Choctaw Indians were given orders to guard until relieved of duty. They were never relieved and died guarding the treasures. One of these mines is about 70 feet below the surface of a 33rd degree Mason. He knows where the entrance is located and where the Choctaw Indian died, but the entrance has since been covered over. I do not know if the Mason is still living? He was in his 80's when I talked to him.

    Off the ridge in a few miles in each direction are three river crossings where the CSA Treasure crossed the Broad River. His house is located at the middle crossing. With enough funds a hole could be bored into the mines to lower someone down to check the mines out but?

    I found something interesting today. Maybe a little off order but I found there were ten people on Noah's Ark but only eight souls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    Those little motorcycles take some big bucks to ride in the parade!

    L.C.
    There is Nothing like them though! I got my first one as a kid...Still have that one and have Never not been without others beside it! Just had to have the full set! HA! I'm not real tall so I never really outgrew them...But Big, full grown men just smile and laugh riding them. They are for anyone! Get someone you love one for Christmas and make it a family heirloom! Pass it down! lol!

    I agree with you also...that JWJ Was Never Comptroller of KGC...Another of Houks imaginary tales regarding Dalton from the Black Book. I believe it would of been one/two of the big industry guys...Someone who didn't have the same type of notoriety as JWJ.

    Kace
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    President Jefferson Davis left Choctaw Indians to guard wagon loads of Confederate Treasure hidden in silver mines in South Carolina on their flight South. The Choctaw Indians were given orders to guard until relieved of duty. They were never relieved and died guarding the treasures. One of these mines is about 70 feet below the surface of a 33rd degree Mason. He knows where the entrance is located and where the Choctaw Indian died, but the entrance has since been covered over. I do not know if the Mason is still living? He was in his 80's when I talked to him.

    Off the ridge in a few miles in each direction are three river crossings where the CSA Treasure crossed the Broad River. His house is located at the middle crossing. With enough funds a hole could be bored into the mines to lower someone down to check the mines out but?

    I found something interesting today. Maybe a little off order but I found there were ten people on Noah's Ark but only eight souls?
    I'm curious...How are there 10 people and 8 souls?

    Your whole post is interesting and would like to hear how the man knew about the guards too. That would be very interesting to find!

    Kace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    If yer not "direction-challenged", you can do it... HA! NO on the Clowns; thought about the Oriental Band, LOVED the music... made several referrals to Shrine Hospitals...
    Yes, Anyone can ride one of the Shriner's mini bikes. The common ones are 3 speed semi automatic...No clutch to operate.

    I'm not crazy about the band and Definitely Not The Clowns! Creepy! But what the Shriner's do as far as hospitals and flying people to them using their own planes is absolutely phenomenal. I knew a man (he's passed now) that flew burn victims to hospitals and burn centers in his plane...WOW...It makes you cry and those guys do it over and over. I definitely support that and everything that branch does!

    Kace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    I'm curious...How are there 10 people and 8 souls?

    Your whole post is interesting and would like to hear how the man knew about the guards too. That would be very interesting to find!

    Kace
    Two were deceased.

    As how he knew about the guards will be hard for some people to believe. But as a boy, he had to bring the cows home by a large tree near the mine entrance. Once he got to the large tree, the cows would balk and go no further. He said he twisted their tail and beat them with sticks but they still would not go. After a lot of encouragement he would finally get them to go but they went way around the tree. He found out later the Choctaw Indian's ghost was present near the large tree and the mine entrance. Every time he had to bring the cows home, he always had a difficult time getting by the large tree and the mine entrance. He told me the Choctaw Indian's name, but I have forgotten. It may be in my computer somewhere. I looked this Choctaw Indian up on the Civil War Data Base and he was a Choctaw Indian that was in the Confederate Army but nothing more is known of him. I believe there are at least three wagon loads of gold sitting in that silver mine directly under this Mason's home, still in the wagons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Two were deceased.

    As how he knew about the guards will be hard for some people to believe. But as a boy, he had to bring the cows home by a large tree near the mine entrance. Once he got to the large tree, the cows would balk and go no further. He said he twisted their tail and beat them with sticks but they still would not go. After a lot of encouragement he would finally get them to go but they went way around the tree. He found out later the Choctaw Indian's ghost was present near the large tree and the mine entrance. Every time he had to bring the cows home, he always had a difficult time getting by the large tree and the mine entrance. He told me the Choctaw Indian's name, but I have forgotten. It may be in my computer somewhere. I looked this Choctaw Indian up on the Civil War Data Base and he was a Choctaw Indian that was in the Confederate Army but nothing more is known of him. I believe there are at least three wagon loads of gold sitting in that silver mine directly under this Mason's home, still in the wagons.
    Thanks....The cows not going near areas is not hard for me to believe at all. I think All animals have a sense of things that humans cannot always see. I've seen it in several dogs and cats and one horse.

    Makes Perfect Sense To Me!

    Kace
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