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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    As I have read, when Lee moved into the North with his men, there was a Bur Oak planted at every campsite they made. In some cases, I believe they were a little more special. They were called "Lee Trees" Some of them have historical markers like this one near Rainelle West Virginia. I think they were all placed on high points with a good view of the immediate area.


    File:Lee Tree Marker.jpg - West Virginia (WV) Cyclopedia

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    A Bur Oak is a type of White Oak... so the stories might not be all that different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    Franklin do you know the truth of what took place during the time that Jeff Davis stayed in Danville for a week after fleeing Richmond in April?

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    Pretty much. What do you want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    Sounds like someone found a nice cache!

    Is that property still in your family?

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    No, the brownstones were all sold piece by piece after my grandfather and those of his generation passed away as my father and his brothers and sisters had all moved on to the suburbs- but when I was 3-4yo, the alleys between buildings and backyards was my domain as I raced in a pedal powered car.
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    I was just looking for similarity among trails for a confirmation mainly, and fishing for any stories you gentlemen may have heard about. There are things that are the same on our trail as other trails we have read about, but in our case sometimes it is the same method done a different way. Does that make any sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    A Bur Oak is a type of White Oak... so the stories might not be all that different.

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    I gathered the difference that one tree was already a big tree named a Lee tree because he sat under it for shade where they camped, and in the West Virginia story the Lee tree is one like I was talking about that was a little tree planted where they camped when they were leaving the camp to move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Pretty much. What do you want to know?
    How about the timeline of that week in April and what took place each day in Danville if you can fill in the blanks for us. :noteworthy:

    L.C.

    P.S. I would also be interested to hear what you or anyone may know about Clement Vallandigham's arrival in Richmond in 1863 and the meeting that followed shortly after with Jefferson Davis and.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    How about the timeline of that week in April and what took place each day in Danville if you can fill in the blanks for us. :noteworthy:

    L.C.

    P.S. I would also be interested to hear what you or anyone may know about Clement Vallandigham's arrival in Richmond in 1863 and the meeting that followed shortly after with Jefferson Davis and.......
    A timeline for most of the events in Danville are listed in J. Frank Carroll's book, "Confederate Gold in Danville." I know nothing of Valladigham's arrival or meeting in Richmond, Virginia. I do know that is about the time that they started putting away treasure for a Second Civil War. I have some that were buried on May 4, 1863.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    I gathered the difference that one tree was already a big tree named a Lee tree because he sat under it for shade where they camped, and in the West Virginia story the Lee tree is one like I was talking about that was a little tree planted where they camped when they were leaving the camp to move on.
    I see what you mean now... I was just saying those two types of oak trees are in the same family.

    I've never heard the stories of RE Lee or his men planting acorns from that tree wherever they camped if you meant that the acorns they planted were from the tree he sat by for shade.

    I don't know what you're looking for in similarities to your trail in other areas or I'd look for you at the Lee trees here and at the farm. If you want to PM or Post it... feel free and I'll go over there and look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    How about the timeline of that week in April and what took place each day in Danville if you can fill in the blanks for us...
    A more important timeline of who and what was decided would be after Danville when Jefferson Davis and members of his cabinet where at the Marshall family WHITE HALL PLANTATION in Abbeville, SC, and finalized their final escape plans.
    Davis sent two wagons led by his brother-in-laws to David Levy Yulee's COTTONWOOD PLANTATION in Archer, Florida, while Judah P Benjamin went to Ocala , Florida where two of his cousins lived, and eventually to GAMBLE PLANTATION, where John C Breckinridge's sister was married to own of the owners who was also a Capt in the Florida CSA "cow cavalry".
    Breckinridge, along with Davis's nephew, John Taylor Wood (Captain of the raider, CSS TALLAHASSEE) also traveled to Ocala, where the Marshall family had another plantation, and Wood's grandfather, President Zachery Taylor, was Commandant of FORT KING, during the Seminole Wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    A more important timeline of who and what was decided would be after Danville when Jefferson Davis and members of his cabinet where at the Marshall family WHITEHALL PLANTATION in Abbeville, SC, and finalized their final escape plans.
    Davis sent two wagons led by his brother-in-laws to David Levy Yulee's COTTONWOOD PLANTATION in Archer, Florida, while Judah P Benjamin went to Ocala , Florida where two of his cousins lived, and eventually to GAMBLE PLANTATION, where John C Breckinridge's sister was married to own of the owners who was also a Capt in the Florida CSA "cow cavalry".
    Breckinridge, along with Davis's nephew, John Taylor Wood (Captain of the raider, CSS TALLAHASSEE) also traveled to Ocala, where the Marshall family had another plantation, and Wood's grandfather, President Zachery Taylor, was Commandant of FORT KING, during the Seminole Wars.
    The Davis Party stayed at the Burt-Stark Mansion in Abbeville, S.C. The Whitehall Plantation was at Fort Mill, S.C., on the Catawba River about 26 miles from Charlotte, N.C. where they had a cabinet meeting in the yard and Secretary of the Treasury George Alfred Trenholm resigned. They had another meeting in Cokesbury before getting to Abbeville, S.C. Davis and party made final preparations for final escape plan at Washington, Georgia. The other plans of escape were made as they went along. At one point he back tracked several miles to rescue his wife and escort endangering more his escape. Micajah Clark acting Secretary of the Treasury at Park's Ferry traveled a different route from the Davis Party that spent the night. I wrote a story on that crossing in Lost Treasure Magazine about Park's Ferry. The gold was hidden, the wagons were burned and every teamster driver chose a mule and rode back home to upper Kentucky and Lower Indiana. The only money or funds that traveled further south was a little trunk containing $25,000 in gold sovereigns. It was divided up along the railroad tracks near the Cottonwood Plantation most was buried and Micajah later returned for the cache to help the Jefferson Davis' family while the President was in Fort Monroe Prison. There is still today about $22,500 in gold of Jefferson Davis personal money buried somewhere on the Cottonwood Plantation. General Breckenridge, Wood and Benjamin traveled separate from these two parties and carried along gold in money belts prepared in Washington, Georgia for them.

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    CSA President Davis and cabinet arrived in Danville, on April 3, 1865, and while there some records were burned, but CSA Major E S Hutter saved CSA Sec of State Judah P Benjamin's personal copy of Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS, which was used as a CSA code book by Benjamin. Hutter's cousin was James Beverly Ward, the agent of copyright and publisher of the 1885 BEALE PAPERS.
    April 8, 1865, Davis and cabinet took a train to Charlotte, NC and on the 12th, arrived in Chester, SC. From there they took a wagon to Abbeville, SC arriving on the 19th (WHITE HALL Plantation of the Marshall/DeBruhl family), with back and forth trips to Washington, Ga.
    A portion of the CSA Treasury was at Chennault's Plantation in Washington, Ga, where it was attacked and an alleged $250,000 was taken. It was claimed that John C Breckinridge was involved.
    At the same time, an ambulance and another heavy wagon containing the property of Jefferson and Varina Davis was on its way to Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation in Archer, Florida, and on May 10th, Jefferson Davis and his nephew, CSA Capt John Taylor Wood were captured at Irwinville , Ga.
    Wood bribed a Union soldier with two $20 golden Eagles to turn the other way while he escaped, and joined up with Breckinridge, whose wagon contained gold specie and Mexican silver dollars in wooden kegs, and were joined by Benjamin near Middleburg, Florida, where they boarded Hubbard Hart's JAMES BURT riverboat on Black Creek. The James Burt passed Union occupied Palatka on the St Johns at night (CSA spy, Lola Sanchez provided that intel and was given 500 Mexican silver dollars), then onto to Oklawaha to the landing at Silver Springs.
    The Davis baggage train which was headed by his Van Benthuysen brothers-in -law, arrived ay Cottonwood, May22, where word was received of Davis capture.
    Yulee's 15 yo son, C Wickiliffe and CSA Lt John D Purviance, Co G, Fla 10th Reg, buried two of Davis trunks on the plantations property. Nannie Wickiliffe Yulee sent boxes of CSA papers to the Florida RR station master at Waldo, then went to stay with her husband's Benjamin cousins in Ocala, where Judah P Benjamin was already there.
    Breckinridge and Wood stayed at the home of CSA Brig Gen Robert Bullock(wounded at the Battle of Utoy Creek Dec 1864), cousin of Teddy Roosevelt's mother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    CSA President Davis and cabinet arrived in Danville, on April 3, 1865, and while there some records were burned, but CSA Major E S Hutter saved CSA Sec of State Judah P Benjamin's personal copy of Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS, which was used as a CSA code book by Benjamin. Hutter's cousin was James Beverly Ward, the agent of copyright and publisher of the 1885 BEALE PAPERS.
    April 8, 1865, Davis and cabinet took a train to Charlotte, NC and on the 12th, arrived in Chester, SC. From there they took a wagon to Abbeville, SC arriving on the 19th (WHITE HALL Plantation of the Marshall/DeBruhl family), with back and forth trips to Washington, Ga.
    A portion of the CSA Treasury was at Chennault's Plantation in Washington, Ga, where it was attacked and an alleged $250,000 was taken. It was claimed that John C Breckinridge was involved.
    At the same time, an ambulance and another heavy wagon containing the property of Jefferson and Varina Davis was on its way to Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation in Archer, Florida, and on May 10th, Jefferson Davis and his nephew, CSA Capt John Taylor Wood were captured at Irwinville , Ga.
    Wood bribed a Union soldier with two $20 golden Eagles to turn the other way while he escaped, and joined up with Breckinridge, whose wagon contained gold specie and Mexican silver dollars in wooden kegs, and were joined by Benjamin near Middleburg, Florida, where they boarded Hubbard Hart's JAMES BURT riverboat on Black Creek. The James Burt passed Union occupied Palatka on the St Johns at night (CSA spy, Lola Sanchez provided that intel and was given 500 Mexican silver dollars), then onto to Oklawaha to the landing at Silver Springs.
    The Davis baggage train which was headed by his Van Benthuysen brothers-in -law, arrived ay Cottonwood, May22, where word was received of Davis capture.
    Yulee's 15 yo son, C Wickiliffe and CSA Lt John D Purviance, Co G, Fla 10th Reg, buried two of Davis trunks on the plantations property. Nannie Wickiliffe Yulee sent boxes of CSA papers to the Florida RR station master at Waldo, then went to stay with her husband's Benjamin cousins in Ocala, where Judah P Benjamin was already there.
    Breckinridge and Wood stayed at the home of CSA Brig Gen Robert Bullock(wounded at the Battle of Utoy Creek Dec 1864), cousin of Teddy Roosevelt's mother.
    A whole lot of that information is incorrect but I am not going to try and correct all of it.
    Davis and party arrived in Danville, Va on April 3rd. The treasure train left Danville on April 8th and Davis and the rest did not leave until April 10th arriving in Greensboro the same day. They stayed in Greensboro for about a week or more. A.J. Hannah's, "Flight into Oblivion" gives a good record of the time sequence but ECS your time line and the parties are way way off.

    Those three trunks sent to the Waldo Train Station which Yulee owned were the personal effects of President Jefferson Davis. There is an inventory of the contents of those trunk in my CD book I copyrighted about 2000. There remained another trunk which was buried and it contained the gold among other things of President Jefferson Davis and this trunk has not been recovered.
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    Franklin, we are both aware that there are slightly different accounts of Davis, Benjamin, Breckenridge, and Wood's flight from the Union, and what became of the Confederate Treasury during that flight.
    What is known is that some of that which Davis had was recovered by the Union forces that occupied Gainesville from Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation, Benjamin had enough to have one of his blockade runners take him from Ellenton, Florida to the Bahamas, and then book passage to England, and Breckinridge and Wood, after leaving Ocala, and going upriver on the St Johns River in a captured lifeboat from the USS COLUMBINE, then highjacking a Cuban fishing boat to Cuba where they stayed with Lola Sanchez's relatives before also booking passage to England.
    NOTE: Yulee's RR ran from Fernandina to Cedar Key, and the Union had burned Yulee's docks and depot at Cedar Key, and occupied that town, and set up pickets from Gainesville expecting Benjamin to use Cedar Key as his escape route- this has created a legend of a Yulee blockade schooner, the ABBEY BEE, having a portion of the CSA treasury and being sunk by the Union.
    Now whatever remained in that keg of Mexican silver dollars from which Lola Sanchez was given, was buried at CSA Fort Brook (Orange Springs) which was near the Sunnyside Plantation of Florida CSA Capt JJ Dickson and Pearson's machine shop that built the brass cannons that were used to fire on Union Fort Meyers.

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    By your own statement you say would was at the capture of President Jefferson Davis. He offered the Dutch soldier one $20 gold coin but the Dutch soldier reisisted and Wood had to give him two $20 gold coins. But each member of the cabinet and the President's personal staff and body guards were given about $1500 in gold each to get to the Trans-Mississippi that is what they used to get out of the country. They carried no wagon loads of gold or Mexican Silver. Micajah Clark carried that and he buried it at Park's Ferry or near there. The only large amount of gold that was carried into Florida was the $25,000 in gold sovereigns. The book of A. J. Hannah's, "Flight into Oblivion" again gives the best detail of what happened to that $25,000.

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    What Breckinridge and Wood carried into Florida by wagon most likely came from the "raid" at Chennault's Plantation, and there are accounts of the amount of gold species and CSA bills and personal property of Jefferson Davis that the Union in Gainesville recovered from Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation.
    At Fort Dallas (Miami), Wood gave the young daughter of the commandant a $20 dollar gold coin which shows he wasn't concerned with running out of money during his flight from the Union. Remember, after staying with Lola Sanchez's relatives in Cuba, they were able to book passage to England- the same with Benjamin, who was able to book passage to England from the Bahamas.
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