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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    All KGC sites differ and vary according to who buried the cache. For most of the caches around where there is a forest you will find carvings or signs with arrows and such. Most have patches with the information you will need. But they are deceptive signs and you have to figure out the cache signs and the ones that are decoy. But for the most part there will be several signs on different trees or different rocks or cliffs. After you search the area and decode the messages then you will know where the treasure is located with compass readings, depth, distance, what the treasure consist of and what it is contained in.
    Thanks, Franklin. What draws you to an area to begin your search. Some type of manuscript or journal. Do you just go to the general area of a treasure legend and begin to search for clues. Or is it just by accident that you stumble across a marker and begin your search there. Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    WHAT would be the REASON for the BB...? Public "need-to-know"...?
    Notoriety and $, or both I would suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    All of the KGC sites that I have found have nothing to do with templates, maps or long distance hunting. They all tell you where something is located and where, either where the treasure is located exactly on what land, what section of the land, distance and depth and the amount of deposit and what it is contained in or cancelled with. Most give you the location of a hidden map to recover several treasures. All of this about templates is a bunch of crap.

    I know of one JJ site in Arkansas and it to tells you direction, distance, depth, value of treasure and what it is contained or buried in. All the contents of the BB is nothing but useless information to sell a story.
    From what I've read in your posts...It's appeared to me that you've done outside research on possible KGC sites other than modern books by those copying each other. Am I right about that?

    I know you've mentioned going to research different events from the past, sites and people.

    Kace
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVanP View Post
    I'm TRYING to keep all the names straight, so forgive me if I'm chasing long-necked aquatic wildfowl...

    1. Jesse James (outlaw) was related to the Youngers ONLY by marriage. His stepfather (Ben Simms) was uncle to a girl who married a Younger.

    2. The Dalton's mother, Adeline Lee Younger Dalton, was half-sister to Henry Washington Younger (Cole, Bill, and Bob's father) making her their "half-aunt(?)" Likewise, her sons Frank, Grat, Bob, Emmett, and Bill were cousins to the Youngers - sorta. BYW, there were SEVENTEEN Dalton children, 7 boys 10 girls. Two children died young (under 12).

    3. Of Judge Parker, I know nothing, other than my great-grandfather knew him. (not in a "professional" way....) Parker died the same year my grandfather was born (1897)
    Dave...On your post #2...Did you mean Jim instead of Bill? I don't remember a Bill or William Younger that was a brother to Cole, Jim, John or Bob Younger.

    Good Info on the Dalton-Younger and Simms-Younger ties!

    Kace
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    Notoriety and $, or both I would surmise.
    I 100% agree with that.

    Kace
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    Well, the Antiquities Act of 1906 and later amendments pretty well criminalizes attempted removal of anything on public lands - Forest Service, National Parks, National Monuments, Wilderness Areas, Military Reservations, Historic Sites, BLM Land, et al. That's a boatload of acreage in the US. Most western states started out as Federal Land territories before being gradually sold or homesteaded. https://www.nps.gov/subjects/legal/t...ct-of-1906.htm State land laws vary.

    Private land? Yeah, a better path to any planned recovery, I suppose, depending on who owns the land. Don't forget the lawyers and the tax man - they'll their clients' share, which will mean they'll likely try to get it all, as is their wont. If you believe in the continued existence of the Organization and the large caches they allegedly still own, it's hard to imagine that those caches are in any way vulnerable to Joe Blow.
    I agree with your first statement 100%. This is why. Click image for larger version. 

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    These two men had the largest part in that operation for the K.G.C. and then the O.A.K. Only the Government can dig in those sites......and only the members who were inside the smallest circle were also inside of the U.S. Government.

    Joe Blow stood here many many thousands of times in the last 90 years and acomplished nothing further. The society was not afraid of that happening one bit.
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    P.S. I believe President Theodore Roosevelt signed the Antiquities Act on top of the table in 1906 to prevent looting of archaeological and Native American structures and objects, but under the table it was for the purpose of giving the federal government control of specific sites to try and keep Joe Blow from even looking. Interestingly, that is very similar to what one would expect a sentinel would do to ward off trespassers from lingering very long in the wrong place for any reason.
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    I have not read the BB. My question, hopefully relevant to this discussion, does John Newman Edwards ever appear as a member of the KGC/OAK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.C. BAKER View Post
    ... I believe President Theodore Roosevelt signed the Antiquities Act on top of the table in 1906 to prevent looting of archaeological and Native American structures and objects, but under the table it was for the purpose of giving the federal government control of specific sites to try and keep Joe Blow from even looking. Interestingly, that is very similar to what one would expect a sentinel would do to ward off trespassers from lingering very long in the wrong place for any reason.
    Most observers speculate that many or most of the caches are now in National Parks, under reservoirs, and at other sites completely off limits to annoying treasure hunters. These hiders were no dummies. You bury a big slug of gold, you want it totally secure. No need for outdated sentinels in bib overalls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kace View Post
    From what I've read in your posts...It's appeared to me that you've done outside research on possible KGC sites other than modern books by those copying each other. Am I right about that?

    I know you've mentioned going to research different events from the past, sites and people.

    Kace
    The KGC left their signs in plain sight. If you do not know what you are looking for you will think nothing of the sign. I saw a sign on a beech tree ten years before I ever realized it led to KGC Caches. If you ever see anything that looks like a "13" carving or the letter "B" it means treasure is in the immediate area. These two signs are for the Goddess Athena in Greek or Minerva in Roman. The KGC use these signs more than any others. Then there are carving of "snakes" or "arrows" that point the way or the number "8" If you see any of these signs look closer at them especially if they are on a tree. There will be "patches" inside of the "arrows" the "8's" or at the head of the "snakes" or at the different sections of the "snakes" bends or at the tip end of the "snake's" tail. They can use other signs but these are the most frequent. But be sure to look really really close as they are in plain site just sometimes really really small inside of the signs. The rocks or stones are a little different and the signs are different but the same principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    The KGC left their signs in plain sight. If you do not know what you are looking for you will think nothing of the sign. I saw a sign on a beech tree ten years before I ever realized it led to KGC Caches. If you ever see anything that looks like a "13" carving or the letter "B" it means treasure is in the immediate area. These two signs are for the Goddess Athena in Greek or Minerva in Roman. The KGC use these signs more than any others. Then there are carving of "snakes" or "arrows" that point the way or the number "8" If you see any of these signs look closer at them especially if they are on a tree. There will be "patches" inside of the "arrows" the "8's" or at the head of the "snakes" or at the different sections of the "snakes" bends or at the tip end of the "snake's" tail. They can use other signs but these are the most frequent. But be sure to look really really close as they are in plain site just sometimes really really small inside of the signs. The rocks or stones are a little different and the signs are different but the same principles.
    Yup, that stuff is easy to find all right. Some of them appeared new in the 1980s. Get coordinates and map them, observing the shapes and patterns they form. Pondering these things is a good way to educate yourself on history, ancient cultures, geometry, cartography, religions, etc. ... plus, you get some exercise running around in the hills. A guy once suggested to me that these clue arrays were put there as an impetus to expand folks' minds. Oh, and maybe they lead to buried treasure too - at least that seems to be the narrative that most people like the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    How so...?
    was only figuring that the surveys an templates were explained somewhere in this book and we haven't gotten there on this thread yet. Already sounds like they're bogus anyway according to the posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    Yup, that stuff is easy to find all right. Some of them appeared new in the 1980s. Get coordinates and map them, observing the shapes and patterns they form. Pondering these things is a good way to educate yourself on history, ancient cultures, geometry, cartography, religions, etc. ... plus, you get some exercise running around in the hills. A guy once suggested to me that these clue arrays were put there as an impetus to expand folks' minds. Oh, and maybe they lead to buried treasure too - at least that seems to be the narrative that most people like the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbb View Post
    was only figuring that the surveys an templates were explained somewhere in this book and we haven't gotten there on this thread yet. Already sounds like they're bogus anyway according to the posts.
    Thing is, just because nobody that we know of has found anything using them, it doesn't mean they're bogus. It just means they don't know for sure how to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    Thing is, just because nobody that we know of has found anything using them, it doesn't mean they're bogus. It just means they don't know for sure how to use them.
    The best way to prove you are right about something is to come up with something that no one else can figure out. Everyone thought A. Einstein was brilliant because of the E=MCsquared. No one can prove or disprove this theory so everyone takes it as fact. Which in fact it is not. Anytime you take the speed of light squared you are going to come up with an astronomical number multiplied by mass WOW Einstein must be right because we can not prove him wrong.

    Same thing with this treasure template. I know for a fact it is a useless piece of a conversation piece. I know where KGC treasures are located and they are not laid out in a mathematical or geometrical pattern. That would really be stupid of them. I mean find one treasure then you can find all of them? No throw that piece of junk away.
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