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  1. #31
    us
    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
    Garrett Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett Ace 250
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Here is the link to the newspaper article that mentions Alec and 2late2dig:

    http://www.newsok.com/hunters-trail-...#ixzz0ZaRLrlQC

    ~Texas Jay

  2. #32
    us
    Oct 2004
    South Central Oklahoma
    TF 900, Schonstedt, Whites, Garrett, GPR, etc.
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Attention to detail Jay. Even though Alec/Ron deserves as much or more recognition than I, he wasn't there at the time the article was written, so he wasn't not mentioned in it. I did give his name and credit for the work on the blog he does, but it wasn't included in the article that came out in the paper.
    I've hunted with him and can say without a doubt he is one of the most practical and common sense treasure hunters you will meet. You also don't have to worry about him cheating you as so many treasure hunters claim their partners have done. He's honest and straight forward.

    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

  3. #33
    us
    Oct 2004
    South Central Oklahoma
    TF 900, Schonstedt, Whites, Garrett, GPR, etc.
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Texas Jay, this article is a good example of how you can't rely on newspaper articles for accurate information. I didn't learn to treasure hunt from my dad, the age of my kid was wrong, I don't have squinty eyes, TJ and Mark weren't lagging behind they were looking at a spot where old carvings had been, and they were joking about waiting around to get their picture taken, Jesse and Frank didn't bury the 18 jack loads of gold in the Wichitas during the blizzard, etc.

    Now if I was ashamed of giving out my name do you think I would have allowed it to be put in a featured article? Would I answer all the e-mails that come to me through the blog?

    If you can't get the little details right how can people trust that the information you spout about the KGC etc. is accurate? I'm with Ron on this one. Why argue and drag yourself down to the depths. If people want some common sense information about the KGC and treasure hunting we will keep posting it on the blog.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

  4. #34
    us
    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
    Garrett Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett Ace 250
    547
    43 times

    Re: KGC Symbols

    Alec and 2late2dig. I readily admit I made a mistake, that I didn't originally make in stating Pastore's crew used a magnetometer. I posted many message on our group regarding the ground penetrating radar being used and have watched the program several times and notice important new details on every viewing so it was an innocent slip on my part.
    Let me remind you that whenever you attack our Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery group for its research, you are not only attacking me but you are attacking over 150 other members as well. These members combined have spent thousands of hours, free of charge, researching Bill Anderson, Quantrill's Guerrillas, the KGC and any other related topic anyone asks them to look into in the past 4 1/2 years of our group's existence. When you attack my knowledge of the KGC, you are talking about something that you know absolutely nothing about as you have not seen all the KGC signs and symbols that I have seen in the central Texas area nor have you studied our local history enough to know what was happening here after the War.
    ~Texas Jay
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

  5. #35

    May 2003
    USA
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by 2late2dig
    Texas Jay, this article is a good example of how you can't rely on newspaper articles for accurate information.

    FROM YOUR BLOG:
    In an effort to prove to the treasure hunting community that the Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) (33) were not the super secret organization that many are claiming today, I'll be bringing you newspaper articles from the 1850's and 1860's.
    So the article about you is full of inaccuracies but the one about the KGC is gospel!!! The KGC was NOT the bumbling idiots you and Ron want to make them out to be. Your "investigations" are very slanted and inaccurate.

  6. #36
    us
    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
    Garrett Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett Ace 250
    547
    43 times

    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Yammy Elf
    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Jay
    Here is the link to the newspaper article that mentions Alec and 2late2dig:

    http://www.newsok.com/hunters-trail-...#ixzz0ZaRLrlQC

    ~Texas Jay
    Great article about guys looking for some Jesse James loot. No wild and wacky conspiracy theories to muddle through
    Let me get this right. You don't believe that Jesse W. James and his brother Frank were members of the Knights of the Golden Circle?
    ~Texas Jay

  7. #37

    May 2003
    USA
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Yammy Elf
    Not only were they not bumbling idiots...they were able to come back from the dead. Like ole Jesse and Bloody Bill!
    Oh please do elaborate elf... I'm sure you aren't referencing anything I've said.

  8. #38
    us
    Oct 2004
    South Central Oklahoma
    TF 900, Schonstedt, Whites, Garrett, GPR, etc.
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Boattow, I never stated that the article I posted was without mistakes, but only gave it as an example of how much was known of the KGC. I happen to have many other sources on the KGC other than newspaper articles.
    Texas Jay I've never attacked your Bloody Bill group and you are making a huge assumption of my lack of knowledge of the KGC in Texas, or any other place, as a matter of fact. I'm just pointing out there hasn't been up to this point any proof of any large KGC treasure brought forth. You mention Griffith and Brewer but once again nothing that can be verified. I can claim to have dug up a uhaul truck full of gold and reburied it, but doesn't make it true. I could even show you a double fistfull of coins but doesn't mean I dug them up. People will believe what they want no matter how much evidence there is against such claims. J. Frank Dalton would be a good example of that one. As far as the James Boy's being members of the KGC maybe they were, or maybe they were Mason's. It wouldn't prove a single thing toward there being billions of dollars of KGC money buried. There were a number of men in the KGC and continue to be many fine men in the Masonic Lodge, but as of now neither organization has taken over the world. Conspiracies are entertaining and thought provoking, but I hunt real treasures that I can find real clues to. If you want to hunt KGC treasure then that is fine and dandy as well. To each their own. I just think I will have a better chance is all. I also want to help others find their pot of gold along the way as well. Hence the blog and the useful information it brings to others.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

  9. #39
    us
    Oct 2004
    South Central Oklahoma
    TF 900, Schonstedt, Whites, Garrett, GPR, etc.
    376
    30 times

    Re: KGC Symbols

    Boattow, the next two KGC blog articles I post will be just for you. Articles about how the KGC bumbled their plots. What about taking over Mexico and Cuba? How did that work out for the most powerful KGC? In my opinion it looks like Mexico might be taking us over before long.
    http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/

  10. #40
    us
    Oct 2009
    Texas
    80
    7 times

    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by 2late2dig
    Boattow, the next two KGC blog articles I post will be just for you. Articles about how the KGC bumbled their plots. What about taking over Mexico and Cuba? How did that work out for the most powerful KGC? In my opinion it looks like Mexico might be taking us over before long.

    The KGC's filibustering efforts were failures but they were very effective in pushing Texas into secession and they formed some of the first confederate units. I am not convinced of the KGC's post war existence, but I keep an open mind.

  11. #41

    Mar 2003
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    The whole point here is if the KGC put down the mega "depositories" or "vaults" with stacks of treasure in them. The only source for this information seems to be Orvus Howk and the black book, both being very dubious sources for real information. Howk was a lier and con man and was making up stuff faster than it could be written down.

    There is no other source of information that even alludes to any mega treasures put down by the KGC. We all know that they existed and what their intentions were but they didn't accomplish their main goal and that was mainly because of a lack of funds. Why would the KGC be putting massive amounts of silver and gold (and copper if you believe Howk) in the ground when the South was having to borrow money from France? If their goal was to take over more land and help with the Civil War at the same time don't you think if they actually had any real money they would be putting it into the ongoing effort instead of putting it in the ground?

    It's not what you look at but what you see

  12. #42
    us
    Oct 2009
    Texas
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    7 times

    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by alec
    The whole point here is if the KGC put down the mega "depositories" or "vaults" with stacks of treasure in them. The only source for this information seems to be Orvus Howk and the black book, both being very dubious sources for real information. Howk was a lier and con man and was making up stuff faster than it could be written down.

    There is no other source of information that even alludes to any mega treasures put down by the KGC. We all know that they existed and what their intentions were but they didn't accomplish their main goal and that was mainly because of a lack of funds. Why would the KGC be putting massive amounts of silver and gold (and copper if you believe Howk) in the ground when the South was having to borrow money from France? If their goal was to take over more land and help with the Civil War at the same time don't you think if they actually had any real money they would be putting it into the ongoing effort instead of putting it in the ground?

    My belief is that the KGC evaporated into the confederate army in the south and northern members possibly joined or became other organizations such as OAK and the SOL. The CSA by 1865 had become a socialist state which couldn't supply its troops. So far I see no proof of hidden caches by the CSA or the KGC but like I say I keep an open mind.

  13. #43
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    us
    Oct 2007
    Summit County, CO
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Being a member of the current day KGC, who sit around and do nothin, texas jay, what do you think ' Haga bien a los pobres, tenga compasion de los infortunados, y dios cuidara de lo demas' means, and what is it doing at the top of a KGC missive? Tu sabi o no?
    Just like Texas in 1880.

  14. #44
    us
    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
    Garrett Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett Ace 250
    547
    43 times

    Re: KGC Symbols

    RGINN, once again you are wrong. I am not a member of the current day KGC because there is no such organization. The KGC, operating under various aliases, closed shop in 1916. Are you drunk or something? It's obvious that you know nothing about me because sitting around and doing nothing is certainly not on my busy daily schedule and anyone who knows anything about me knows this truth. I also have more to do than sit around here and replying to obnoxious insulting messages from you and other naysayers. Adios.
    ~Texas Jay

  15. #45
    Knights of the Golden Circle

    Jul 2009
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by RGINN
    Tu sabi o no?
    I think you have Jay confused with another member of this forum. If he has taken offense to that it is understandable. I hope that is just an error on your part and we can dispense any rudeness. As for the proverb, it is a beautiful one and as to why it was included there I can only suggest that when songs or poems are included with other documents they sometimes substitute as some type on anthem. It brings comfort to the reader even today.
    Knights of the Golden Circle Archive and Research
    Sons of Liberty and the Order of American Knights

 

 
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