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    KGC Symbols

    Is there a book you can buy or a web site you can go to that will explain treasure symbols? I have got a good marked beech tree and cant decipher a thing on it...d2

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    HaHa d2....me too!!! Good Luck!

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    Re: KGC Symbols... and others...

    Yo! Rebel here: Try the TREASURE HUNTER'S UNIVERSITY @ http://www.treasurehuntersuniversity.com
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    We have some very KGC-knowledgable members at our group where we have been researching the KGC and Bloody Bill Anderson for over 3 years. Our Photos section includes several photos of KGC rock and tree carvings which our members have found over many years. You are invited to join us at:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

    ~Texas Jay

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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Just curious - this is such an intriguing subject...not sure just yet what, if any of it, I feel is true and what is probably bs but I have a couple questions if anyone's around and feels like answering...

    1. Main one that sparked the post is the triangle symbol with the R over the 6 - what is that and what does it mean/ refer to? Same for the crecent moon with the stars inside.

    2. I've got a couple treasure symbol books on the way and have already checked out the treasure hunters uni site, but I've seen the heart references all over the place. Do people really find (and document/photograph) these carvings or formations on here or is it more like seeing bunnies in clouds, open to interpretation?

    3. Where would be the best resource (online for now) to find the most factual concise info on the symbols and their meanings/use, with specific regard to the KGC?

    4. Do I understand this correctly or no: The KGC were a very real, verifiably documentedly real organization, or secret society (really secret at the time of their notariety), and the 'debate/controversy/argument' is mostly over how long they were in business and whether or not they actually hid treasure at all - OR - the KGC is urban myth and the argument is over whether they actually existed.

    5. IF they actually existed, what is the best resource to find factual documentation or info about the reality of the group, without the typical book selling schemes.

    Like several others who've become interested in the subject, and not real sure what's what, I too am seeking just the facts from the fiction and mythos and speculation first...and if that provides enough juice to deepen my interest then I'll automatically expand to see the various theories. I just would prefer to go into it with...to borrow the phrase..."just the facts" first.

    Thanks!

    PS it was the HC's program on Jesse James's Hidden Treasures that finally sparked my curiosity about this group and what they were about - IF they were a real group, that is...but at the moment I'm mostly confused on that point
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    Quote Originally Posted by TQA Girl
    Just curious - this is such an intriguing subject...not sure just yet what, if any of it, I feel is true and what is probably bs but I have a couple questions if anyone's around and feels like answering...

    1. Main one that sparked the post is the triangle symbol with the R over the 6 - what is that and what does it mean/ refer to? Same for the crecent moon with the stars inside.

    2. I've got a couple treasure symbol books on the way and have already checked out the treasure hunters uni site, but I've seen the heart references all over the place. Do people really find (and document/photograph) these carvings or formations on here or is it more like seeing bunnies in clouds, open to interpretation?

    3. Where would be the best resource (online for now) to find the most factual concise info on the symbols and their meanings/use, with specific regard to the KGC?

    4. Do I understand this correctly or no: The KGC were a very real, verifiably documentedly real organization, or secret society (really secret at the time of their notariety), and the 'debate/controversy/argument' is mostly over how long they were in business and whether or not they actually hid treasure at all - OR - the KGC is urban myth and the argument is over whether they actually existed.

    5. IF they actually existed, what is the best resource to find factual documentation or info about the reality of the group, without the typical book selling schemes.

    Like several others who've become interested in the subject, and not real sure what's what, I too am seeking just the facts from the fiction and mythos and speculation first...and if that provides enough juice to deepen my interest then I'll automatically expand to see the various theories. I just would prefer to go into it with...to borrow the phrase..."just the facts" first.

    Thanks!

    PS it was the HC's program on Jesse James's Hidden Treasures that finally sparked my curiosity about this group and what they were about - IF they were a real group, that is...but at the moment I'm mostly confused on that point :)
    Answer: Real and historically documented but debatable as to its connections with specifics such as gold and Jesse James and to its survival in one form or another after the war. Much fantasy has been written about its supposed Illuminati/Masonic connections and/or other conspiratorial connections but many real and available online documents of their history exist. Many in the files sections of our group at:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Knight...Golden_Circle/

    Always choose history over innuendo.
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by d2
    Is there a book you can buy or a web site you can go to that will explain treasure symbols? I have got a good marked beech tree and cant decipher a thing on it...d2
    d2,

    Here are a few books that I have. Maybe one of them can help:

    Handbook of Treasure Symbols (First Edition) by Dr. Arnold Kortejarvi Curator of Museum of Treasure and Archaeology

    Follow the Signs A Treasure Hunter's Handbook by Dayne Chastain

    Handbook of Treasure Signs and Symbols by Mary Carson

    Treasure Signs & Symbols by Thomas Penfield

    The Rocks Begin to Speak by LaVan Martineau

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    Re: KGC Symbols

    This may sound like a "duh" but you need to learn to interpret the signs and not rely on any book because the answers just won't be there. And I do mean interpret and not "read". For the most part the outlaw (and any actual KGC symbols) you run across are topographical in nature. Think small. The majority of the symbols will be for traveling distances of 100 feet and less and you won't be able to see the majority of them on a topo or in an aerial photo. Some of these symbols will depict things, it may be a rock shaped like the symbol or a creek or part of a creek or fence/property line or anything else that was considered stationary at the time.

    Think road signs, an "S" means curves ahead, the same type of reasoning applies to treasure symbols involving outlaws and the limited KGC spots that existed. These symbols are very subjective because they were made by an individual to help THAT individual get back to what they left. The symbols were not made as "code" with some special key that allows the right group or other people to read them. You will be trying to interpret a picture of something that was made as a shorthand to remind the maker of the information he needed to get back to what he left.

    There are no easy answers and everything will change from one site to another even if the same outlaw marked the same sites.
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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Hi TQA Girl. You ask some excellent and legitimate questions in your message. Before you can understand the answers to the other questions, however, I believe you must convince yourself that the Knights of the Golden Circle were real and then expand your research from there. The best way I know to do that is to read the official War of the Rebellion Records at the link below. These are free and no one is selling anything. Get ready to do some reading though once you do a "Simple Search" of the records using the keywords: Knights of the Golden Circle.

    http://digital.library.cornell.edu/m/moawar/waro.html

    Here is a link to the records of the 1860 KGC Convention in Raleigh, N.C.

    http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheF...GC0571860.html

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    Re: KGC Symbols

    The below is also from Jay's forum:

    From: http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/moa/brows...aphs/waro.html -
    run a simple search of this site for the keywords: Knights of the Golden Circle


    It took me two and a half hours to transcribe this important Official
    Record to post on this message board so I hope our members appreciate
    my efforts. :) Please read the entire report carefully as it
    explains many important things about the KGC. It also tells of their
    resolve to go to any lengths to prevent the second inauguration of
    Lincoln.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BloodyBillAndersonMystery
    ***


    From: The War of the Rebellion Official Records
    "OFFICE PROVOST-MARSHAL,
    MIDDLE DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA,
    Sacramento, August 10, 1864
    Brig. Gen. JOHN S. MASON,
    Acting Assistant Provost-Marsal-General, San Francisco, Cal.:
    SIR: I have the honor to report the result of my investigations of
    the secret work of the association called 'Knights of the Columbian
    Star,' through Hiram Potter, one of their number. This has been a
    very tedious and slow business, for the reason that the whole system
    is so cloaked and guarded that but few of the members really know
    anything about it. The organization, as near as I can now determine,
    is as follows: There is a governor-general for the State, and a
    lieutenant-governor-general for each locality, who has a deputy
    lieutenant-governor-general to assist him. There are no large
    meetings held of the order in their capacity as an association, but
    few only of the officers and trusted members get together to initiate
    new members and devise the work which is to be carried out. Potter
    has only lately learned that there is a third degree, which he has
    not yet obtained, but it is proposed to give it to him soon. I may
    here remark that it is one of the cardinal principles of the order
    that no member of an inferior degree knows of a higher until he is
    prepared and expected to receive it. In the first degree, which is
    called thirty-three defenders, the candidate is first examined and
    [if] found to be a suitable person for their use, he is then sworn in
    a solemn and imposing manner. The substance of the obligation is that
    he will not support in any election or employ in business an
    abolitionist if any other person can be had; that he will obey his
    officers in all things; that he will resist the enforcement of any
    and all unconstitutional laws by the Administration, his officers
    being the judges of the unconstitutionality of the laws; that he will
    furnish himself with a rifle or double-barrel shotgun if possible,
    and positively to furnis a revolver pistol and bowie knife, and
    always to keep on hand a supply of ammunition for a three-days hunt.
    After taking this obligation they are invested with the signs,
    password, and grip, to enable them to recognize their brothers and
    make themselves known, which are: First, to attract attention of any
    brother present, take hold of the breast of the coat or about the
    third button, carrying the hands about an inch out from the body and
    back twice, as if in the act of fitting the coat to your body. The
    answer to this sign is to throw the left hand to the small of the
    back carelessly. This satisfies the party that they are recognized,
    but they will have no communication until they have been further
    proved. After selecting a proper place the challenger proceeds to
    prove his brother as follows: Q. 'Do you know Jones?' A. 'What
    Jones?' Q. 'Preacher Jones.' A. 'Yes.' Q. 'Have you the password?'
    A. 'I have.' Q. 'Will you give it to me?' A. 'That is not the way I
    obtained it.' Q. 'What will you do with it?' A. 'I will divide it
    with you.' Q. 'Well, you divide it, and begin.' A. 'No; you begin.'
    Q. No, you begin; the word is yours.' A. 'Death.' Q. 'To.' A. 'All.'
    Q. 'Traitors.' They then take hands, the questioner giving the grip,
    which is given by inserting the little finger between the little
    finger and the next one and then clasping the hands, the questioner
    giving one shake and saying 'Right,' the answering man another shake
    and saying 'Brother.' This completes the proof of each belonging to
    the thirty-third or first degree, and any communication between them
    is proper. So far neither man is supposed to know that any other or
    higher degree exists. But for the purpose of explanation we will
    suppose that they both have the second degree, or what is called the
    fifty-seventh degree, meaning 'constitution.' The first hailing sign
    in this degree is made by taking off the hat with the left hand,
    bringing it down to the side of the head, and placing the right hand
    on the top of the head in an easy, careless manner; this is answered
    by taking off the hat with the left hand in the same manner. Test
    sign follows: The thumb and forefinger of left hand rub the under
    lip; the answer is made by touching the pit of the stomach with the
    thumb and forefinger of the right hand, as in the act of holding a
    pen. This having been properly answered the question may be
    asked: 'Have you the password?' Upon the reply in the affirmative the
    password is given with the same ceremony as before, being divided.
    The word is 'Andalusia,' being divided An-da-lu-sia. The questioner
    then asks, 'Have you the sacred password?' and upon an affirmative
    answer the same process of getting is observed, with this difference,
    that this word is lettered. The word is 'Eloi.' After this grip is
    given. The right hand of each is placed together and thrust up until
    each grasps the wrist of the other, and the questioner gives one
    shake, saying 'Right;' the other party then reaches with the left
    hand and takes the left hand of the questioner in the same manner,
    giving it one shake, and says 'Brother.' This completes the proof of
    membership in the second degree. There are some other signs for
    special occasions. Sign of caution or danger: Place the left hand
    upon the breast and raise the right vertically, the elbow as high as
    the shoulders. Sign of distress: Clasp the hands together, unlocking
    the fingers; raise them to the chin, saying, 'Santa Maria.' Sign of
    recognition on horseback: Grasping the left breast of the coat with
    left hand, giving two moves of the hand and coat about two inches and
    back, the party answering salutes with right hand. There is a night
    sign, made by clasping the hands and calling out 'Ho!' which is
    answered by saying 'Hi!' Before being invested with these signs the
    candidate is carefully examined as to his age, occupation, residence,
    former place of residence, birthplace, what military service he has
    done, his opinions upon the political views of the day, State rights,
    slavery, the right to resist unconstitutional laws, &c. If this
    examination is satisfactory, he is sworn. The oath is very long and
    elaborate. The substance only can be given, which is to resist the
    election of Lincoln for President by all possible means, including
    the force of arms; to adhere to and obey the call of the governor-
    general of the State or the lieutenant-governor-general of your
    district in all cases and at all times; that you will resist any and
    all unconstitutional laws by the Administration; that you will adhere
    to and support the old State rights doctrines and the right of each
    State to protect itself, and assist it to carry out the right to
    maintain slavery or any other domestic institution to which it is
    entitled, by force of arms if necessary; that you will resist with
    arms any attempt upon the part of the U.S. authorities to execute any
    unconstitutional law of any kind or character, your officers being
    the judges of the unconstitutionality. In addition to this, Potter
    says he has ascertained that there is a third degree, and has the
    promise of having it conferred upon him. Beriah Brown, editor of the
    Press in San Francisco, is the present governor-general of the State;
    C.L. Weller, who has lately been arrested, is lieutenant-governor-
    general of the State, or of the district of San Francisco; not
    certain as to the extent of his jurisdiction. It is contemplated to
    elect a governor-general of the Pacific Coast, including Nevada
    Territory and Idaho, who shall have the general supervision of the
    order. Joseph P. Hoge, of San Francisco, is talked of for that
    position. This will not be done until after the nomination at the
    Chicago Convention, when a meeting of the governors and lieutenant-
    governors is to be held at some point not yet known. Each member of
    the order pays money into the treasury, and when parties cannot get
    arms for themselves they are to be furnished by the society, the
    intention being that every man who is with them shall be armed for
    instant service when required by his officers. They only make one
    member of the fifty-seventh degree for from three to seven of the
    thirty-third degree, and it may well be imagined that the third
    degree is still less in number than the second and still more
    dangerous, all the power resting in a small council or single
    governor. The officers in the Sacramento district are: General J.L.
    English, lieutenant-governor-general; J.C. Goods, deputy; Thomas
    Edwards, secretary, and A.A. Bennett, treasurer. Ex-Governor John
    Bigler is a prominent member, and has lately left as a delegate to
    the Chicago Convention; he is reported as having carried $160 in
    money to be delivered to the rebel sanitary fund; the money was sent
    from here to Maggie Perry, in San Francisco, to be delivered to
    Bigler there. John R. Ridge, at present of Nevada City, was a
    traveling agent of the order, and is now an officer in the Nevada
    district. Doctor Fox, of San Francisco, is one of the most active
    agents of the order in the State. He estimates that there are 24,000
    men at present in the order and reliable for their purposes, and that
    this order, with the Knights of the Golden Circle and the men they
    can control, will reach 50,000. The actual number is very hard to
    arrive at by any one below the head of the order, or a general agent,
    as the utmost secrecy prevails between all its parts, and all are
    subject to the power of an officer whom they do not know. Amongst
    themselves it is freely talked of that there will be war in
    California; they expect it and are all the time providing for it.
    General J.L. English here talks peace, and the other officers and
    prominent men say he is an old fogy and afraid he will lose his
    property. Whenever they feel strong enough to make resistance to the
    laws they intend to do it. This seems to be the tendency of all the
    circumstances that come to my knowledge, and their conversation
    reported by Potter will bear no other construction. There is also a
    regular system of raising money to be transmitted East under pretense
    of giving to the rebel sanitary for rebel prisoners. Since I reported
    to you that trouble was expected in San Francisco at the time of the
    meeting an order has been issued by Governor Brown (as is reported)
    that all Democrats cease to carry arms until further orders, but to
    have them always ready where they can find them. In relation to the
    arms heretofore spoken of, the only further information we have been
    able to gain is that the muskets, 'about 1,000,' were under the
    control of Don Juan de Dias, a Mexican, who disappeared about two
    weeks since, and whether the arms went with him or not cannot be
    ascertained. The result of my observation is that the secret
    political organization is very powerful and very dangerous. Second,
    that the moving power which controls it is in sympathy with and
    acting for the benefit of the Southern rebellion. Third, that it is
    most important now to ascertain exactly who they are and what they
    are doing. Fourth, that more men should be employed in this service
    unknown to each other, so that their information may be compared.
    Almost any man who takes upon himself these obligations is more or
    less unreliable to us, and I do not feel safe in relying altogether
    upon one man, more especially as I have some reason to believe that
    he does not push his inquiries as fast as he might, or else keeps
    back something that he ought to inform us of.
    I submit, then, this matter to you, in addition to what I have
    heretofore reported, for your consideration and advice.
    I am, very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    ROBERT ROBINSON,
    Captain and Provost-Marshal."


    ***
    ~Jay~
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    Thanks for the info!
    This is the day the Lord hath made we shall rejoice and be glad in it!

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    Re: KGC Symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Mental Granny
    Thanks for the info!
    Granny,

    You and Stoney are not allowed to search for KGC treasure...you have to be a member of the club.

    TW
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    This is the day the Lord hath made we shall rejoice and be glad in it!

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    Re: KGC Symbols

    The truth is that all of us naysayers are the real present day KGC. SWR is the Most Exalted Bearer and Keeper of the Templates. I and others are Sentinels, and we haven't kept records of how many Cowans we've taken out, but it was a bunch. We go to all treasure web sites and attempt to deter KGC treasure seekers with logic and facts. Kinda funny, but it should be just as believable as the opposite theories. And come to think of it, can anyone prove this ain't true?
    Just like Texas in 1880.

 

 
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