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    Re: Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JudyH
    I know you're out there, Gollum..... 8)...I saw your post on another topic today. So come on....give us the goods... . The anticipation is killing me. LOL.


    Judy
    Yes, I'm here. Nothing spectacular to report yet, but I have found some more interesting things. I'm going back out in a couple of days to chase down something I saw in a pic, but didn't see when I was out there last time. I'll post again this week with some more pics.

    Sometimes I really kind of wish I hadn't found anything out there, as it is a 300 mile round trip from home. If I don't turn anything up this year, or if I get to the end and find someone has already gotten there before me, I might throw together a book and a website about the adventure. I've never seen anything in print about the Anza-Borrego Desert other than a book about dinosaur fossils. If I find anything good, I'll probably just drop off the face of the earth for a while!
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    Re: Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JudyH
    Thanks for the update....can't wait to see the new pics. And don't you dare drop off the face of the earth....this is the best new discovery that I've seen in the recent world of cache hunting. The best sites are the ones that don't appear in print....since I believe most of the published sites are now empty.. ...or they wouldn't be published.
    I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you......


    Judy
    Thanks! I was just out there today. Still no big score, but I've been chasing this thing down for a looooooooong time now, and I know patience. I'll post some more pics tomorrow.
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    Gollum

    Try a google search on this name

    JUDGE JOESPH CRATER

    The missing New York state supreme Judge
    whom disappeared back in 1930

    If you find the right article
    there is a story about that Judge being sighted
    in your area in the early 30's

    The man was mistaken to be Judge Crater
    the missing Judge

    However, it was not him

    The Man arrived in Julian ( where the Pie festivals are so awesome)

    He was driving a Packard

    Had a Map and or letter to
    a Hoard of Hidden treasure
    out in the Anza


    He employed a local prospector
    to help him locate what was in the documents he carried


    When folks got Too nosey
    about him
    He told the Prospector that
    he was the Missing Judge Crater

    He was not

    after awhile
    the prospector found the Monuments
    the Man had on his docs.

    The man paid the prospector off

    The Prospector returned to Julian
    for supplys

    and the Man with the Packard was never seen again

    Though his Packard was parked where he had left it
    Back in Julian.

    Call me Telepathic if you must

    But,,,,,,
    What you have come across
    is what was on that strangers Letters and map


    There at your site,

    I would not be the least suprized
    that his bones are beneath
    the stones


    Inside or at the death trap.


    The legend of a Fortune in Jesuit mined
    gold and silver
    is attached to that area.

    It is supposed to be hidden
    in a cave that fits your discription


    There will be an entrance into this

    at the top of the ridge, covered up with stones


    also, an alternate entrance
    around the other side
    opposite the one you have found.

    South, towards the Border
    is a cave with Winchester Rifles
    cached
    They were sold to the Mexicans for their revolution

    The rifles may still be there

    They are in a small peak that stands alone
    and can be seen south of Hiway 80


    I forget the name of the town this is near


    NOTE: Go to the top of the chiminy
    look close for an entrance
    beneath the boulder

    there will be smaller rocks stacked below the dirt
    around the base of that boulder

    try it.

    add this note: The story of Judge Crater imposter can be found
    in a Book about unsolved mysteries

    the story of the Jesuit treasure can be found
    in a book about lost California Treasures
    also, this cave was found before by a sheepherder
    he saw the treasure
    removed a small portion
    went into town
    bought burrows and
    picks/shovels and supplys.

    Was never seen again

    So, look about for bones in the drywash
    or expect to find the bones
    inside that cave

    google search
    ANZA BORREGO+JESUIT TREASURE
    See what comes up

    remix: try this: www.klaxo.net/hofc/other/rvj-lost-ship.htm-80k
    read about the lost Spanish ship supposedly beneath the Salton Sea
    and the other stories about treasure out there by kane springs
    and that Canyon with the funny name

    Rog'





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    Re: Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

    Hey Rog' Thanks for the info. I've never heard about the Judge Crater angle. I've heard all about Judge Crater's disappearance, but not about the treasure. When you say highway 80, do you mean highway 86 or Interstate 8? I haven't seen highway 80, but the 8 and the 86 are right in the area. Unfortunately every ridge of every mountain is lined with stones.

    In this one area (West and South of the Salton Sea), there are a million treasure stories. Pegleg Pete's black coated gold nuggets are about 30 miles southwest of the Salton Sea.

    There is the story you mentioned about a Jesuit Treasure buried in this area that they hid when Spain kicked them out of New Albion (New World), with hopes of returning someday and recovering it.

    There is a story about a Conquistador turned bandit who had raided towns and missions from San Francisco on South until his band raided an Indian Village. His whole group was massacred near the intersection of San Felipe Creek and Carrizo Wash, and the TEN CARTS OF GOLD and valuables were left sitting where they lay. The chief then took some of his braves back and moved the treasure to a little cave somewhere nearby in the Fish Creek Mountains so it wouldn't attract other whites. This was thought to be another tall tale until about 6 years ago when some guy riding his quad runner (This area is a VERY popular 4X4 Off-Road Area) flipped over and cut his arm on a little gold box. When he pulled it out of the sand and opened it, he found a long gold chain with a ruby studded crucifix attached.

    The Pearl Galleon is supposed to be near the entrance of an arroyo near the Northwest corner of the town of Borrego Springs.

    There are several lost gold and silver mines in the Fish Creek Mountains.

    There is supposed to be a gold reef in an arroyo near the mouth of Earthquake Valley. This is right along Highway 78 just before entering Anza-Borrego Desert State Park.

    This was the route of the Butterfield Stage Co. There were several stage robberies, and a few of the robbers were killed after hiding the loot that has never been found.

    This was the same area that Juan Bautista de Anza used for a route going to and from San Francisco.

    All these treasures are supposed to lay within about a 50 mile diameter area from the West Shore of the Salton Sea to the Western Entrance of the Anza-Borrego Desert State Park, with the park encompassing most of this area. When I am in the State Park, my hunting tools are very limited (No Metal Detectors, Prospecting equipment, or guns). I mostly carry knife, GPS, Army ETool (Shovel), camera, rope, and a small rock pick.

    These aren't even taking into account all the mines in and around Julian. This little town was the gold rush center of SoCal!

    Thanks-Mike

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    Hi Mike
    your welcome

    I grew up in Redondo beach Calif.

    We used to do the loop out Ortega Hiway
    on to Julian
    and then out to Borrego springs on our
    Motorcycles

    My Dad was a pretty Famous Treasure Hunter

    T.V., News, Magazines, Books
    he was all over them.

    He had The most Extensive treasure library known to
    Humanity

    I've read so much
    that my eyes have bled

    The Judge Carter angel
    Was written in one of the unsolved Mystery books

    It turned out not to be Judge Carter
    .

    Out there, somewhere above Julian
    on the slope of a Canyon
    was an Owl carved in a tree

    When my Dad still lived in L.A. with us
    He and a paertner had taken a document
    From a Mission down there

    They stole it

    The found the tree
    Then the Mine
    Dug
    dug some more
    moved earth like goffers

    Gave up after a few weekends

    My Dad left us
    went to work at White Sands Missle base
    The other guy

    never bothered with the mine again.

    This was all done in 1954 and '55

    a forest fire took out the tree

    and now it's all lost again.

    Oh Yeah,, I meant hiway 8 Mike

    I think the town is Mexicali or Calexico

    Been since 1986 since I was there

    The Winchester rifle cache is really easy to find

    Comparativly speaking of Course
    Can't think of the name of the guy
    who foundit
    in 1979
    He was not a treasure hunter
    nor a prospector

    He was camping out there
    touring the states on his motorcycle

    He was standing on a boulder
    taking photos
    his camera bag tipped over
    a lense slipped down between rocks

    and he pushed and pulled them aside
    slid down in there to grab the lense

    saw the rifles
    reach a Colt Army single action Pistol

    Came back to Redondo beach bellering about it.

    My buddy brought him by my house
    figuring i would go with him
    and help recover the cache

    He lived in Palos Verdes
    pretty well off
    He was at that time over 55 years old
    Pudgie as a budgie

    and not inclined to work hard at digging

    Months went by before we got together to go down there
    I was not all that enthused either
    but thought to at the least give it a try

    Its a dirt road out to it
    we were on Japanese street bikes

    and he did not wish to chance his exaust pipes
    to the rocks

    With a telephoto lens he showed me
    the spot he was sure he was standing
    I looked at his previous photos he took from the spot
    and determined he was pretty much correct

    we did not attempt a dig
    we left
    spent the night in San Diego, then went home

    and I have passed down hiway 8, and glanced over at the peak everytime i travel that way

    But still have never attempted the dig.
    too busy here in New Mexico on these treasure sites


    Kinda funny, he did'nt need money
    and I don't care about money

    Not desperate enough I guess.

    Rog'


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    Re: Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

    Hey Again,

    Looks like I was mistaken. There is an old Highway 80 that runs along just south of Interstate 8. It looks like the main route before the Interstates came along.

    If it was anywhere near Calexico or Mexicali, it doesn't look too promising. These areas are very well built up with farms and such. The area West of there is much better looking. From the Devil's Gorge all the way to Alpine, both sides of the highway are nothing but boulders. There is rarely a clear patch. Tell me more about the monuments that single out this particular mountain where the rifles are hidden. Next week I am deciding on whether to drive up to Joshua Tree area or try hunting up a lost mine in the Fish Creek Mts. This is VERY close to where I am looking right now, but I kind of want a change of scenery. The only problem with the area you are talking about is that it is a main route for illegals and drug mules, and it is heavily patrolled by Border Patrol(ICE). Some of it is in a state park.
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    Hi Mike

    Superstition Peak
    a little west and south of Brawley

    From what I recall after 20 nyears
    it was on an old gunnery Range
    and the cave is on the Northeast end
    of the peak

    Not up high
    Just up about 45 to 55 feet from the flat

    West of the east tip of the ridge that comes down to the flat

    The Entrance is underneath a jumble of
    medium sized boulders

    On a Solid looking Rock outcropping
    a knob of sorts, as you look at it

    He was in the shade, so it was near the
    base of that Knob

    in the Mid-morning

    Near by, was a stacked stone monument as I call them
    just out front of the cave, and visible from the flat
    it stood out, and was near the edge of a small finger or ledge.

    down from the cave
    is another stone monument
    it could have been stones stacked
    or just a couple
    Too far to see from where I was at.

    Rog'


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    Re: Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

    OK, I'm sold! I'll head out there next week. It's actually pretty near an area in the Fish Creek Mountains I wanted to hike into. There are two lost mines that way, so I'll hit both.

    Mike
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    Re: Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

    Rog and Mike,

    Took a look at Superstition today. Mike if you go you will HAVE to have a quad-runner. As you approach the Mountain, which is about 6 miles long but only 700 feet at the highest point, the sand is deep and drifts 100s of feet from the base and swallows up the roads that lead to the top. Even the m-bikes stayed on the hard pack. Many people there today...stop by the "ICE" truck and get a great BLM trail map of the area from Fish creek mtns to Picacho peak. Since the mountains run SE to NE, Rog's directions are hard to pinpoint.

    Rog, do you remember if the rockpile was a pyramid, manmade. The was one on the north side about 3 miles in. I went in from the east on Wheeler road. I think the best way to get to the spot, assuming that it is on the north side of the westernmost and highest peak (shady side) is to take trail 075 off of wheeler rd. west towards fish creek mtn. It is easy to find since it runs right along side a 3-wire power line on telephone poles all the way to the north side of FC mountains. There are turn offs to the Northern end of Superstition but you will need a QR to finish the trip. To get to the main parking area and the ICE truck stay on the road past the )075 turnoff. I wanted to continue on 075 east but the sand prevented it. A 4wd probably can do it but take some extra air or pump in case you have to deflate. It was over 90 today. Very dangerous for the unprepared.

    Rog.. do you remember if the area was the highest peak, also the most NW, more towards the middle of the range? It will help Mike...I'm not going out there again.

    From there I went north on Huff rd. to 78 west and had chicked fried steak in Julian, and bought an apple-boysenberry pie to bring home. 78 is one of the most awsome drives along that stretch in the country. I wish I had the right equipment to explore more thoroughly, but the years are adding up and the energy level is diminished.

    Good hunting.

    Bob
    (in San Diego)

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    Hey Rog & Bob,

    Got with BLM and found out that the two roads I had tried were still gov. property. The guy I talked to said that unless specific permission was given, the second Wheeler Rd. was the only way in. I'll be either there next weekend, or the new site and there weekend after. I just found another version of the Hank Brandt Lost Gold that puts in on Superstition Mountain instead of the Fish Creeks! Something else to look for while out there.

    Hey Bob,

    You are correct! That 78 drive is beautiful. The BLM has a .pdf file map of Historic California Gold Mines. I would post it, but it's a 2mb file. It doesn't show cities, just counties and Gold Mine Sites. You will see a huge cluster of them around the Julian Area. Just think about all the gold and silver that's still in those mountains!

    Mike

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    Gollum:
    Ler's take my portable core drill, 1 1/2" core, and punch some holes into those hills, horiz/vertically ones and see what's there?
    I can go in about 250' !
    I checked with the BLM
    It is a legal way of prospecting!
    CptBil & Bugs

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    I have to agree with all the others about "going alone".
    Too many ways for a fatal accident. Even with a cell phone, there's no "bars" inside a shaft.<G>
    Too many people have walked off of the face of the earth alone, much less crawling inside an old shaft.
    Please take someone with you, even if they just sit outside with a "cool one" while you are exploring.
    One of the main reasons I have slowed down on hunting is because my "partner" passed away last year. Now I have to find another that I can trust behind me or in front of me. Caution when hiking and moving rocks is needed with both partners.
    If you want to see a nice shaft in Arizona sometime, left me know.<G>
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    Quote Originally Posted by audigger53
    I have to agree with all the others about "going alone".
    Too many ways for a fatal accident. Even with a cell phone, there's no "bars" inside a shaft.<G>
    Too many people have walked off of the face of the earth alone, much less crawling inside an old shaft.
    Please take someone with you, even if they just sit outside with a "cool one" while you are exploring.
    One of the main reasons I have slowed down on hunting is because my "partner" passed away last year. Now I have to find another that I can trust behind me or in front of me. Caution when hiking and moving rocks is needed with both partners.
    If you want to see a nice shaft in Arizona sometime, left me know.<G>
    What part of AZ. I'll be heading that way this fall, when things cool down somewhat. I can get 130 degree heat right here at home. I don't want to drive hundreds of miles to get to the heat I have at home!

    Mike
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    Hmmm, Fish Creek Mtns....Neat Place....I'd be lost if I went there now, but 25 years back, I did lot's of research in this area and wore out lot's of vehicles and boots!...No doubt, I BELIEVE in a lot of the Stories connected to that area and of the "HAUNTED CANYON".....But, the Inland Seas is what I was interested in then, and although the scientific community is in sharp debate about the real history, it is interesting to note of the vast amount of ancient WHALE BONES that has been found in that area...In contrast to this, large amounts of Megladon Teeth as well (GIANT WHALE EATING SHARKS)....Now, according to the scientific Megladon Buffs, the Megladon was a Deep Sea Shark, however, their Teeth have been found in many other areas in California and the American Southwest of where supposedly some of the Seas were Shallow...Just outside of Bakersfield, a guy still digs them up (the teeth are worth money to collectors)....Where ever the Large Inland Seas (almost all were connected in Ancient Times).....where ever they were, there were at different times also TSUNAMIS, TIDAL RIFTS and Myrids of other Mother Nature Cataclysmic Activities that helped shape the Valleys and Mountains where we go today....Ancient Floods could have washed the Whale Bones and Sharks Teeth into these areas or it might have been alot deeper than what the scientists acknowledge...If I'm out and about and I find a Megladon Tooth, I STOP and PAY ATTENTION...I'd rather be finding Gold Nuggets but hey, these Teeth can get also buy a few groceries down the road...Just a thought....Darrell

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    Happy Trails:
    Boy!
    Strange that you should mention "Haunted Canyon" !
    I was about to write down...
    I and Two other friends of mine, ( SO! I wasn't the only person to witness this!) while camped in the canyon, had a very strange "happening!" there!
    I firmly believe! that there is something to the Name!
    "Haunted" !
    I really need to take the time and write "The Happening!" down!
    Anyone who doesn't believe it happened! ..... I, challenge them to "pack up" and LET'S GO!
    CptBil & Bugs

 

 
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