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  1. #1

    May 2003
    Sunny Southern CA Coast
    Minelab Sovereign
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    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    This one is great-- the story of the cavern leading to the huge underground river with black sand beaches extending for miles-- black sand that assayed at 50 troy ounces per ton :shock: after going through the calculations, if the gold here is as initially reported there is enough to pay off the National Debt-- a substantial quantity, to say the least!

    I'm convinced the location does exist, and the geology of the region is supportive of the story, but does anyone know of anyone actually investigating the site within, say, the last 25 years?
    "...and then I will finally be able to take over the world!"
    - Brain, in 'Pinky and the Brain'

    -- Rattus Labyrinthicus

  2. #2

    Apr 2003
    Inland Empire, CA
    GTI 2500
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    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    I am familiar with the story. A friend of mine visited the area of Kokoweef a couple of years ago. He ran into some people who were actively engaged in locating the mine. I think they may already have a claim to the area. As far as I know it still hasn't been found. It's on my list of places to visit. 8)
    Is that a jewel encrusted bottle cap?

  3. #3

    May 2003
    Sunny Southern CA Coast
    Minelab Sovereign
    946
    117 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    I understand that there is an active Tin claim on the mountain which includes in its boundaries the site of the dynamited cave entrance. As I understand it, the cave itself is completely impassible, and the claimholders are aggressive towards any looky-loos. :idea: But the water has to be going IN somewhere and it also has to be coming OUT somewhere. I'm interested in maybe taking some arial photos and possibly some sensitive listening gear. All that water has to be making some noise, if it's flowing. There are active springs in the area, and there are also some other caves that are known about in the region. I forget the names. (Blazen70, if that's in your area, maybe you can recall?) Perhaps they are interconnected?
    "...and then I will finally be able to take over the world!"
    - Brain, in 'Pinky and the Brain'

    -- Rattus Labyrinthicus

  4. #4

    Apr 2003
    Inland Empire, CA
    GTI 2500
    106
    2 times

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    I don't know of any other caves in that particular area other than "crystal cave" but there are several mines. Just to the north-west of Kokoweef peak there is a concentration of springs. There is one spring to the east and another concentration of springs to the south-west. I kind of have my doubts that the mine would be in that area. With today's technology they should be able to find caverns and underground rivers using ground penetrating radar, right? Maybe? Who knows? Besides there are two other stories that are very similar to this one, but in different areas. The first two were written by John D. Mitchell in "Desert" magazine, 1940 and 1951. The third story which is the one we all know was witten by Paul H. Patchick in "Desert" magazine ,1961. So there's a ton of research still to be done. I don't remember where i first read about this story maybe Lost Treasure. I do have a book called Lost Desert Bonanzas by Eugene L. Conrotto 1963, which briefly covers the three stories. BTW good book, lots of leads to other treasures. -Robert-
    Is that a jewel encrusted bottle cap?

  5. #5

    May 2003
    Sunny Southern CA Coast
    Minelab Sovereign
    946
    117 times
    Beach and Shallow Water Hunting

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    In reading the story (I'll have to list the book titles later) I understand the cave to lead downward something like 1000'+, probably too deep for GPR, which probably wouldn't see much below the contact anyway, in my experience. :roll:

    I'm interested in contacting this Larry Hahn... do you have more detailed info? (Like how his group became 'officially' involved?)

    Even if the truth about the paydirt were stretched, I find the idea of an underground river in the desert believable and geologically fascinating.
    "...and then I will finally be able to take over the world!"
    - Brain, in 'Pinky and the Brain'

    -- Rattus Labyrinthicus

  6. #6

    Apr 2003
    Inland Empire, CA
    GTI 2500
    106
    2 times

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Here are the other two stories:

    In the March, 1940, DESERT, readers were given the John D. Mitchell version of a persistent Mojave Desert lost treasure tale.

    Mitchell's gold is discovered by two Paiute Indians "high up along the eastern edge of Death Valley and not many hours' journey from Scotty's Castle." The Paiutes were trudging along "over the hot sands on the western edge of a dry lake" when they spied the caved-in mouth of a tunnel. Investigating, they found a large underground pool and, of course, the gold-flecked black sand.

    While attempting to swim to an island in the center of the pool, one of the Indians drowned. His brother, honoring a taboo against frequenting a place where death has entered, left the cave and never returned.

    John Mitchell comes back in the August, 1951, DESERT, with a somewhat similar yarn. This one involves an old prospector who told his story to Mitchell around the turn of the century. The old man had picked-up four pounds of gold nuggets "in a black sand deposit near the Clark Mountains northeast of Nippeno (now called Nipton)." The cave of the black sands was "on the east side of a small limestone hill about 50 feet above the level of the dry lake bed."

    -Robert-
    Is that a jewel encrusted bottle cap?

  7. #7

    Apr 2003
    Inland Empire, CA
    GTI 2500
    106
    2 times

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Joe, which time life book was it? Just curious. -Robert-
    Is that a jewel encrusted bottle cap?

  8. #8
    BILL 1876

    FOUND THIS ARTICLE

    Leon Davidson, in an early issue of Flying Saucers Magazine, spoke of a large network of "underground tunnels in the California desert, at Camp Irwin, near Barstow."

    This may tie-in with an item related by a Los Angeles municipal water director, as related in an early issue of Richard Toronto's Shavertron letter-zine, stating that this water director knew of 5 large underground rivers which ran beneath the Mojave desert, and that die-traces showed that at least one of these emptied into the Pacific ocean through openings in the continental slopes (One source stated that such a river exited in the Gulf of California).

    Other sources speak of a "Kokoweef" river-system which is alleged to lie below Kokoweef peak just east of Fort Irwin, which looked- -according to it's alleged discoverer, a Mr. Earl Dorr, and a few "Indians" who also claimed to have been in it--like a "Grand Canyon" underground.

    It allegedly consists of a river chasm generally 500 ft. wide and over a thousand feet high-deep, sided by steep tiered-shelved underground cliffs, huge stalactites and cataracts. Also, the alluvial sands on the 'beaches' along the river, which allegedly hold a large percentage of gold dust, are said to be several feet deep. The entrance to this cavern was allegedly dynamited shut by Mr. Dorr to protect anyone else from getting to "his" gold. There is in fact evidence that Dorr did dynamite shut the lower level of 'Kin Sabe' cave in Kokoweef Peak, and there are present-day attempts to break through into this underground system. The water of the river allegedly rose and fell with the tides, suggesting that a very large body of water might exist upstream, that is if Dorr's account as well as the accounts of the Indians were not fabricated).

    The municipal water director, according to the Shavertron article, spoke with a man who claimed that he was hired several years ago by the government to look for water sources for Ft. Irwin. He alleged to have explored an old mine in the area and found that deep down, the shaft intersected with an ancient earth fault or chasm- like cave which continued horizontally for a considerable distance. This government employee followed the chasm and allegedly emerged onto the bank of a huge underground river-cave over a quarter of a mile wide! The tremendous water flow-- possibly originating from the waters that apparently disappear beneath the Great Basin, the Nevada and Mojave deserts? -could have 'fed' the water needs of all of Southern California.

    Paul Doerr (not to be confused with Mr. Dorr referred to above), in issue number 6 of his Newsletter Unknown, reports on the discovery of massive caverns in Toulumne Co., California, by three Oakland miners. The caverns were so extensive that a man would have to "take grub for a week, and plan to explore for a month."

  9. #9

    Apr 2003
    Inland Empire, CA
    GTI 2500
    106
    2 times

    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Did anyone ever hear the story about the WWII Japanese submarine that found where the underground river exited into the ocean, then followed it, almost making it to Las Vegas? :roll:
    Is that a jewel encrusted bottle cap?

  10. #10
    ca
    Apr 2003
    Princeton,BC,Canada
    Whites GMT
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    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    All this talk of underground river systems is interesting,however any one who has been in an old mine knows how dark it is which leads to the question"What sort of light source did these people have that allowed them to see such vast distances in those conditions. Further, todays batterys don't hold up all that well,I know, so again what was their light source that they could stay down so long and cover long distances. I don't mean to be negative,just cautious and a mite sceptical. Fred
    Quondo Omni Flunkus Moritati

  11. #11
    Charter Member

    Mar 2003
    So. Cal.
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    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    They were using a Kryptonite lazer tazer with a super halogen bulb. It's really TRUE!!

  12. #12
    ca
    Apr 2003
    Princeton,BC,Canada
    Whites GMT
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    Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    That was good for 1 smile and a little snort,cs.lol Fred
    Quondo Omni Flunkus Moritati

  13. #13
    srferjo

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    at this time we came across a cave this could be the cave dorr spent the rest of his life digging we are down about 2000 feet cant say were, and we still don't know if this is it.
    for those of you who don't know about dorr. dorr went mad with gold fever those men he killed when he blew up the cave were his friends. he used a full case of dynamite to close it shut. that part of the cave was limestone you could dig for the next 20 yrs and still not get thru this was told to me by my great uncle ray dorr

  14. #14
    us
    Jan 2005
    Idaho
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    srferjo
    So are you with a group looking for this? My grand parents had a large ranch in this area, I have never been there but hope to get down there this summer. I had never heard this story before but it is interesting, I'm going to have to do a little research on it.

  15. #15
    Cptbil

    Mar 2003
    Az/NM/Ca/Nv/Tx
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    ? If you are interested, I am going to be out looking myself!
    I have done a lot of the ordinary research, books, magazines, etc..
    In the mean time,
    I Have come up with a unique way,? factual & scientific, not a fantasy? ?method,?
    That I think WILL! help to Find a way into the cavern!
    If you'd like to set up a meeting, I should be in the area some after March or April!
    In the mean time, drop me a line....
    We can discuss the site.
    CptBil & Bugs

 

 
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