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  1. #1
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    Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Carl moreland, SWR and others skeptics has dedicated time and web site to describe the why LRL and MFD doesn't works. They say many thing about this subject. The only thing I never see in theirs thread, statement or conclusions is "test" that they can conduct or realize under some research or investigation in the field. For example, I would like to see some video produced by Carl in the field to proof why LRL doesn't works.

    For example, Carl describe why LRL doesn't works but I don't see any reasearch made (if he made it) to state why doesn't work.

    http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page.../ppl/index.dat


    If the video has been produced, please send me the link to watch it.

    Arch


    http://carvedstonequest.blogspot.com/

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    I like finding stuff

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    "There comes a time in every rightly-constructed boy's life when he has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure..." - Twain

    "Opportunity is like ice. As you're thinking about it, it's disappearing." - Unknown

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    ~architecad~
    The only thing I never see in theirs thread, statement or conclusions is "test" that they can conduct or realize under some research or investigation in the field. For example, I would like to see some video produced by Carl in the field to proof why LRL doesn't works.
    They have made a few proposals about testing…Carls not so famous double blind test and Randi’s Test…..The only thing that these kinds of Tests will prove are these fact..One man or women could not use his device to locate treasure( that would be a proven fact) The LRL’s are just a dumb tool and does nothing without a human interface. You still would not know positively if the LRL worked or not….Art

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it


    Is that real gold? If the answer is "yes" could you post some type of proof?
    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    ~SWR~
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it
    And the award goes to SWR..Congratulation
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Why skeptics doesn't show proof?-dunce-cap.jpg  

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it


    Honestly SWR that can in the picture looks like a can of bean instead gold, maybe somebody found it in Safeway or Giant supermarket.

    arch


    http://carvedstonequest.blogspot.com/

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    It's your post, it's your can. Bon Appetite
    "WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE"

  8. #8
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    Jan 2008
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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    You believers should commission Art to make a movie of the
    H3 enclosed dowsing rod following a target from side to side,
    I am sure Art is up to the challenge. His movies have so far
    been epic!

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by pronghorn
    You believers should commission Art to make a movie of the
    H3 enclosed dowsing rod following a target from side to side,
    I am sure Art is up to the challenge. His movies have so far
    been epic!
    Why skeptics doesn't show proof? ( Movie great) Art has steped out many time's, to make a movie to show how it's work's........ I for one would like to see a Skeptics, take the time,and make a movie, showing there side of it, how it can't work.

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    ~Prong~
    You believers should commission Art to make a movie of the
    H3 enclosed dowsing rod following a target from side to side,
    I am sure Art is up to the challenge. His movies have so far
    been epic!
    Thank You Prong for admitting that my movies are great
    ~Jr~
    skeptics doesn't show proof? ( Movie great) Art has steped out many time's, to make a movie to show how it's work's........ I for one would like to see a Skeptics, take the time,and make a movie, showing there side of it, how it can't work.
    They will not do that..They are afraid of these little LRL Tools.. Look at the photo and tell us why they are afraid to even hold the device in thier hand?

    ~SWR~
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it
    Could you please tell us which section of the H3Tec Owners Manual this test can be found ? I can not find this test in any of my instruction manuals. In fact I know of no LRL that will pass this test as that is not the way they are designed.
    SWR and other Skeptics think that this kind of test proves something and it does…It proves that they are a bunch of know nothing con men and 3rd rate scam artists…Art

  11. #11

    Mar 2005
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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811
    ~Prong~
    You believers should commission Art to make a movie of the
    H3 enclosed dowsing rod following a target from side to side,
    I am sure Art is up to the challenge. His movies have so far
    been epic!
    Thank You Prong for admitting that my movies are great
    ~Jr~
    skeptics doesn't show proof? ( Movie great) Art has steped out many time's, to make a movie to show how it's work's........ I for one would like to see a Skeptics, take the time,and make a movie, showing there side of it, how it can't work.
    They will not do that..They are afraid of these little LRL Tools.. Look at the photo and tell us why they are afraid to even hold the device in thier hand?

    ~SWR~
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it
    Could you please tell us which section of the H3Tec Owners Manual this test can be found ? I can not find this test in any of my instruction manuals. In fact I know of no LRL that will pass this test as that is not the way they are designed.
    SWR and other Skeptics think that this kind of test proves something and it does…It proves that they are a bunch of know nothing con men and 3rd rate scam artists…Art
    The test doesn't exist.

    The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

    Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.
    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

  12. #12
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    Nov 2008
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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    Quote Originally Posted by architecad
    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it


    Honestly SWR that can in the picture looks like a can of bean instead gold, maybe somebody found it in Safeway or Giant supermarket.

    arch
    It could be beans, or it could be crow
    So you're telling here in this thread that LRL help people to find food? Ok. !! If I find gold or silver is for the same purpose, change the gold for money to pay bills, one of them, buy groceries and food. common sense?

    Arch


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  13. #13
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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it


    What happen here is SWR didn't await the LRL stop in front the "bean can" to create the impression it doesn't work.

    SWR we know about that joke!!


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  14. #14
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    Jan 2008
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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR

    The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

    Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.
    I can suspend my metal detector from the ceiling with
    string, turn it on, then without touching it again,
    wave metal under the coil and it
    will beep everytime until the battery dies.

    Lets see an LRL suspended and turned on follow anything
    without someone actually tilting it to turn in the direction
    they consciously or subconsciously want it to turn.

    This human interface mularky is laughable at best, it is
    the only thing that makes an lrl point at anything and
    the user is only fooling themself.

    Art's movies are the biggest jokes on this forum, you guys
    should look up the definition of the word sarcasm.

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR
    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    This has been posted several times now. Notice the device not pointing to the gold bar? Perhaps you should invest in one of these LRLs that does not point at a bar of gold...sitting right next to it


    Is that real gold? If the answer is "yes" could you post some type of proof?
    Eddie

    Skeptics never-ever can provide proof of what the believe, only fake pictures or photoshop works.

    Arch


    http://carvedstonequest.blogspot.com/

  16. #16
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    The Watcher-er

    Jan 2008
    495

    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by architecad
    Eddie

    Skeptics never-ever can provide proof of what the believe, only fake pictures or photoshop works.

    Arch
    You mean like this?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Why skeptics doesn't show proof?-art-sgoldpan3.jpg  

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by pronghorn
    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR

    The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

    Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.
    I can suspend my metal detector from the ceiling with
    string, turn it on, then without touching it again,
    wave metal under the coil and it
    will beep everytime until the battery dies.

    Lets see an LRL suspended and turned on follow anything
    without someone actually tilting it to turn in the direction
    they consciously or subconsciously want it to turn.

    This human interface mularky is laughable at best, it is
    the only thing that makes an lrl point at anything and
    the user is only fooling themself.

    Art's movies are the biggest jokes on this forum, you guys
    should look up the definition of the word sarcasm.
    Metal detectors are metal detectors and they only detect metals. LRL and MFD look for the magnetic field around the metal using the human body as interface. About this challenge that you post here:

    Lets see an LRL suspended and turned on follow anything
    without someone actually tilting it to turn in the direction
    they consciously or subconsciously want it to turn.


    I'm working on it
    arch


    http://carvedstonequest.blogspot.com/

  18. #18
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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by architecad


    I'm working on it
    arch
    Make sure you use invisable thread

    The LRL believers can't even get their fantasies straight.
    Now it is magnetic fields, I thought it was signal lines,
    or was it ions, or moon beams, or fairy dust, make up your minds.

  19. #19

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    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by pronghorn
    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR

    The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

    Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.
    I can suspend my metal detector from the ceiling with
    string, turn it on, then without touching it again,
    wave metal under the coil and it
    will beep everytime until the battery dies.

    Lets see an LRL suspended and turned on follow anything
    without someone actually tilting it to turn in the direction
    they consciously or subconsciously want it to turn.

    This human interface mularky is laughable at best, it is
    the only thing that makes an lrl point at anything and
    the user is only fooling themself.

    Art's movies are the biggest jokes on this forum, you guys
    should look up the definition of the word sarcasm.
    Notice in my post I wrote "as designed". My detectors don't have a place on them to tie string to them.

    Now, just for fun, let's poke some holes in your post.

    First of all, who looks for metal in their house with a detector hanging from the ceiling? Sounds like someone forgot to take their meds.

    Second of all....lets go outside with the detector. Just playing along with your "scenario" let's hang your detector from a tree. Now....wave that piece of metal (let's use a silver quarter) under the coil. What happened?

    Did it beep?





    Good. You didn't run the battery down in the house.


    Now, let's remove the human interface, the malarkey, so to speak. Let's sit down under the tree, a few feet away and wait. Did I mention that we needed a butterfly net? I didn't?

    Oops, okay let's go get one.




    We'll need it to catch those silver quarters as they come floating by the coil. Of course, if they are floating around in the air, we won't need that detector any more, we'll just catch them with our butterfly net.

    Have you caught any yet?



    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

  20. #20
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    The Watcher-er

    Jan 2008
    495

    Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR
    Quote Originally Posted by pronghorn
    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR

    The pseudoskeps will start squealing about your remark about "that's not the way they are designed".

    Simple fact is....human interface is necessary for a lot of things to work as designed.....including treasure hunting metal detectors.

    I can suspend my metal detector from the ceiling with
    string, turn it on, then without touching it again,
    wave metal under the coil and it
    will beep everytime until the battery dies.

    Lets see an LRL suspended and turned on follow anything
    without someone actually tilting it to turn in the direction
    they consciously or subconsciously want it to turn.

    This human interface mularky is laughable at best, it is
    the only thing that makes an lrl point at anything and
    the user is only fooling themself.

    Art's movies are the biggest jokes on this forum, you guys
    should look up the definition of the word sarcasm.
    Notice in my post I wrote "as designed". My detectors don't have a place on them to tie string to them.

    Now, just for fun, let's poke some holes in your post.

    First of all, who looks for metal in their house with a detector hanging from the ceiling? Sounds like someone forgot to take their meds.

    Second of all....lets go outside with the detector. Just playing along with your "scenario" let's hang your detector from a tree. Now....wave that piece of metal (let's use a silver quarter) under the coil. What happened?

    Did it beep?





    Good. You didn't run the battery down in the house.


    Now, let's remove the human interface, the malarkey, so to speak. Let's sit down under the tree, a few feet away and wait. Did I mention that we needed a butterfly net? I didn't?

    Oops, okay let's go get one.




    We'll need it to catch those silver quarters as they come floating by the coil. Of course, if they are floating around in the air, we won't need that detector any more, we'll just catch them with our butterfly net.

    Have you caught any yet?



    This is what you get when a failed lawyer sticks his head
    in a pizza oven too long.

    Too complicated for ya pizza boy?
    perhaps this will help. See if that little car in your
    driveway with the giant pizza slice sign on it can
    deliver a pizza in 30 minutes or less with no one
    driving it.


 

 
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