Maybe We Can Agree?

[EE THr]

Maybe We Can Agree

It can be confusing to try to talk about two or three different things in one thread. I mean, sometimes you say something about one thing, and someone replies to your post, but somehow swings it over to something else, and gives an answer regarding that other thing. How are you supposed to respond to that?

So, people can be talking about two different things, and not even realize it! The next thing you know, it doesn't make any sense, and everyone gets ticked off simply because nobody's making sense anymore.

But maybe we can sort out some things, and maybe that will let us stay on track, and eliminate some of the confusion.

The matter does arise, of mixing dowsing with LRLs. There are different way that problems in communication can start with these two getting mixed up, or being used interchangeably. I don't think that they need to be combined in concept, in order to discuss either one.

There is a problem in talking about LRLs, when people want to use dowsing terminology.

Yet there are some who insist that they do go together.

And others who insist that they don't.

Most of these kinds of problems come up when talking about the tests. Both from people who think LRL is dowsing, and from people who say it's not.

So, look at it this way. According to Carl's test, it doesn't matter if it's considered dowsing or not, because either it passes his test, or it doesn't. The theory of how it works doesn't come into play, in his test. So there is no need to talk dowsing, when discussing Carl's test. It simply doesn't matter.

But, if there are people who find fault with Carl's test, and state dowsing reasons as being part of the problem, then they are also stating that LRLs are somehow using dowsing. The people who are stating this, apparently consider that LRLs somehow enhance the dowsing success, though.

As far as the LRL advocates go, this doesn't seem to matter, as long as they find stuff.

But it does make a difference when considering whether LRLs are fraudulently advertised, because they infer that anyone can use them, and don't state that dowsing ability is required. This concept can go around and around with problems, because of this lack of understanding and agreement.

So, can it be agreed that the free-swinging pointer type of LRLs are supposed to be dowsing enhancers?

Or can we agree that they are totally electronic devices, and not dowsing based?

Or, is there a better definition of the free-swinging pointer types of LRLs?

[EE THr]

Well, it's been 24 hours since this topic was put up here.

The lack of replies from the LRL promoters says everything!









ref: Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?

[woof!]

The LRL mfr.'s patents really put the icing on the cake, because they defraud the Patent Office, in print, for permanent public record.

--Toto

[EE THr]

woof---

Good point. And that would be a Federal Offense, too!

[EE THr]

72 Hours, and no LRL promoters still can't agree to what in the heck their devices actually are!

And they can't even state their own definition of what they've got!

Hmmmmmmm. Sounds mighty suspicious, to me.

[TabWhisperer]

72 Hours, and no LRL promoters still can't agree to what in the heck their devices actually are!

And they can't even state their own definition of what they've got!

Hmmmmmmm. Sounds mighty suspicious, to me.

It may take a little time to search previous posts to see what they have claimed individually in the past. Then they have to compare notes before they can list plausible definitions. Predictably none of it will make any sense.

[Ted Groves]

Yeah, where is Judy and her mouth now? Probably gagged on her cigar.

[EE THr]

Ted---

Their stories do seem to change around "a little," don't they? They seem to use whatever pseudo-theory suits the situation at the time!

I don't think there is any way they can come up with anything solid, without contradicting themselves multiple times. Plus it would pin them down to one story, which could then easily be disproven. They want to maintain their ability to dance around with it.

Where is Big J?

Maybe the Psychiatric video took the wind out of the sails?

[Rudy(CA)]

Ted---

Their stories do seem to change around "a little," don't they? They seem to use whatever pseudo-theory suits the situation at the time!

Currently they (Hung) are pushing the theory of Occipitofrontal magnetism. They must be reaching the bottom of the barrel.

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hio bk. It was posted --> The people who are stating this, apparently consider that LRLs somehow enhance the dowsing success, though.
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don't they?
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also--> There is a problem in talking about LRLs, when people want to use dowsing terminology.
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Agreed, and there are those that try to use standard electrical /electronic treminology also.


Don Jose de La Mancha

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO : It was posted --> I don't think there is any way they can come up with anything solid, without contradicting themselves multiple times. Plus it would pin them down to one story, which could then easily be disproven. They want to maintain their ability to dance around with it.
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If I didn't know better, I would swear that was a definition of a sceptic ??
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Ted asked where is Judy ?
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Judy left, she looking for her used cigar, she believes that Ted is hiding it for personal reasons.
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It was posted --> Where is Big J?
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Which "J"? if you were referring to me, I have a variable and busy schedule - believe it or not he he h e.

Don Jose de La Mancha

[EE THr]

RDT---

Hio bk. It was posted --> The people who are stating this, apparently consider that LRLs somehow enhance the dowsing success, though.
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don't they?

Maybe they enhance the suggestability, but that's it.

also--> There is a problem in talking about LRLs, when people want to use dowsing terminology.
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Agreed, and there are those that try to use standard electrical /electronic treminology also.

Don Jose de La Mancha

The trouble is that those who try to use electronics to explain it, fall short, unless they go into pseudoelectronics or Science Fiction. Then, when proven to be lacking in evidence, they resort back to dowsing. It's circular logic.

HIO : It was posted --> I don't think there is any way they can come up with anything solid, without contradicting themselves multiple times. Plus it would pin them down to one story, which could then easily be disproven. They want to maintain their ability to dance around with it.
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If I didn't know better, I would swear that was a definition of a sceptic ??

Not the real dictionary definition. It's a contrived version by a guy who wrote a book. Anybody can write a book. It means nothing.

Like I said before, definitions are for the purpose of communications. If people use individuals' own personal definitions, there could be a hundred different ones. Nobody would know what anyone else was talking about.

To say that one persons own definition is "The" definition is misleading, confusing, and unethical.

It was posted --> Where is Big J?
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Which "J"? if you were referring to me, I have a variable and busy schedule - believe it or not he he h e.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Not you, RDT, that's Big JH.

P.S. Do you have any idea how difficult it makes things when you create lines that are longer than the normal screen width?

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI EE, you posted -->Do you have any idea how difficult it makes things when you create lines that are longer than the normal screen width?
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Not me, I am careful that way, blame the electronics that you use for demonstrations and definitions.

Don Jose de La Mancha

[pronghorn]

HI EE, you posted -->Do you have any idea how difficult it makes things when you create lines that are longer than the normal screen width?
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Not me, I am careful that way, blame the electronics that you use for demonstrations and definitions.

Don Jose de La Mancha

You don't get it, it's quite simple to keep all your forum
posts easily readable if you just hit enter after about 55
characters typed, including spaces. It's not rocket surgery,
or even technical, it's simple courtesy, like this, see......
every word I typed is on your screen, you don't have to
continually scroll left and right.

[EE THr]

RDT---

OK.

Bad electronics. Bad BAD electronics. Shame on you, electronics. Don't ever do that again! Do you hear me?



...I'm not sure the electronics "got it."

But I'll see how it goes now.



Thanks for the advice.

[EE THr]

pronghorn---

You must also like those really long pages, where someone put up a really big picture on about the second or third post, and it screws up the entire rest of the page! Grrrrrrrrrr!






P.S. When it is done in a quoted post, you can't even get to the scroll bar on the side, with out scrolling back and forth horizontally. Ugh.

The normal Message box will word-wrap all the posts just fine, if nobody extends their lines way out there and you try to quote them.

Apparently the word processor for the Message entry box considers the tilde to be an inseparable part of a word, so it doesn't wrap it.

[pronghorn]

Definitely frustrating.
I do most of my reading here without logging in and when
I just logged out even your posts are a mile long
But I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts, watching
how you wrap the believers up and make em squirm.

[EE THr]

pronghorn---

OK, you're right. I can hit the Enter key after each line,
and do my own word wrap. But it still doesn't help
when quoting someone who has "lined out" past the
point where you need to scroll horizontally to get to
the vertical scroll bar.

And even on the forum page, you have to scroll over
in order to click the quote or modify buttons.

And, if people had a little forethought, we wouldn't
need to do any of that.

RDT: Hint, hint. 8)

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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K, I thank you prong, excellent idea

One other thing, I can't type more then about 5 lines before it becomes unstable,
any suggestions, besides hauling my butt out of here?

Don Jose de La Mancha

[EE THr]

RDT---

Um...get your mule to help?