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May 22, 2011, 12:45 AM
#1
LRL fraud debunked
Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
Well, it's past Harold Camping's dinnertime, I guess Sunday it's crow for breakfast for Harry. Judgment day was Saturday, and everyone (even atheists!) heard the LORD speak on that one!
Now here's the funny part. This isn't his first time at this. He's researched more than how to predict the future, he's also researched how to make failure sound like success. It's a failure-proof system, it sets aside the need to ever say "I screwed up." The failure is always elsewhere, the guy holding the magic wand is the part of the system that works perfectly. Or, if the magic wand is an "LRL", it's the electronics (even if they don't really exist, never mind if they don't really work) that are never at fault: "operator skill is still needed, just like with a metal detector". Even when the manufacturer thereof doesn't even believe such a thing.
With fake electronic LRL's as with fake Raptures, we're looking at the same psychology-- refusal to be grateful for having been born with brains bigger than those of monkeys. The alibi system can pull success from failure every time, who needs reality?
Read the advertisement.
--Toto
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May 23, 2011, 10:14 AM
#2
 The Watcher
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.o...e_amazing3.htm
The theme of the Amazing 3 Conference, sponsored by the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), was succinctly expressed by keynote speaker and Skeptic magazine editor, Michael Shermer: “We’re selling science.” From the get-go, the 500-plus participants at the conference, held at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas, were repeatedly reminded that it’s all about science. At the media workshop that kicked it off, magician Andrew Mayne defined the goal of skepticism as the use of the scientific process to understand the world. He added that this is the opposite of dogmatism. In his “points to remember,” he noted that skepticism is not cynicism and that skeptics must be open-minded. “If you have evidence,” he said, “bring it on.”
So it’s ironic that actual science was hardly touched on. Instead it was one speaker after another reinforcing the conceit, almost universal among conference participants, that they are the enlightened ones, that they are charged with the burden of defending sense against nonsense, that they alone can be counted on to stand their ground against the tide of irrationalism that threatens to engulf our civilization and undo all the gains that have been wrought in the name of Science. Even scientists themselves, it turns out, are no match for the diabolical paranormalists. Only skeptics, educated by James “Amazing” Randi and other magicians, are capable of spotting the tricks of the trade. “Scientists are easily fooled,” explained Randi, “because they think they know.” But only skeptics really know.
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May 23, 2011, 01:22 PM
#3
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
conartie---
While it is true that Science can't explain everything that occurs, and actually not much of anything that occurs when you get right down to it, the problem with LRLs is that finding targets has never actually occurred.
And there is no way to BS your way around that.
Sorry.

Don't be a doof---show the proof!
P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?
ref: Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 23, 2011, 01:42 PM
#4
 The Watcher
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
While it is true that Science can't explain everything that occurs, and actually not much of anything that occurs when you get right down to it, the problem with LRLs is that finding targets has never actually occurred.
http://www.rangertell.com/testimonials.html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2228873
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2372303
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2778710
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May 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
#5
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
afternoon aa , geeze how did woofie and TT escape from Sodom and Gamorrah? The others didn't believe either heheheheheh
MI compadre woofie posted -->we're looking at the same psychology-- refusal to be grateful for having been born with brains bigger than those of monkeys.
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There is a critical difference between brain activity and pure size. I am reminded of the case of the college 'A' student that had a fatal accident, in the autopsy examination, it was found that he was a Congenital hydrocephalus , over 50 % of his Brain was simply fluid.
El Don Jose de La Mancha who has NO water on the brain, so shaddup ! snicker
"I exist to live, not live to exist"
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May 23, 2011, 04:44 PM
#6
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
RDT---
I saw an article similar to that one, only in this case the guy was alive. They did a scan of his head, and found that his brain consisted of a layer, it looked about one inch thick, around the inside of his skull. Everything in the middle was just fluid. Also an "A" student.
I don't think the mind is in the brain, for various other reasons, but in my opinion this tends to corroborate what I think about that.
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 23, 2011, 11:45 PM
#7
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
The LRL mindset is similar to those prophecy wackos, in that whatever happens is always interpreted in their favor, even failure, because they simply must believe no matter what.
2012 will be yet another prophecy failure but it won't matter. Reality need not apply.
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May 24, 2011, 12:31 AM
#8
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
Saturna---
I think they will continue to blow smoke, whenever and however they can, until somebody goes to jail.
After all, that's what they keep asking about.
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 24, 2011, 12:13 PM
#9
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by Saturna
The LRL mindset is similar to those prophecy wackos, in that whatever happens is always interpreted in their favor, even failure, because they simply must believe no matter what.
2012 will be yet another prophecy failure but it won't matter. Reality need not apply.
Science is one who is predicting something for 2012. So if it fails, will you say the same thing about them?
BTW, I'm not one who is expecting the end of the world in 2012.
Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Acts 13:41
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May 24, 2011, 12:25 PM
#10
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by EE THr
conartie---
While it is true that Science can't explain everything that occurs, and actually not much of anything that occurs when you get right down to it, the problem with LRLs is that finding targets has never actually occurred.
And there is no way to BS your way around that.
Sorry.
Don't be a doof---show the proof!
P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?
ref: Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
Can you back up that statement?
Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.
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May 24, 2011, 02:49 PM
#11
 The Watcher
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
~EE~
While it is true that Science can't explain everything that occurs, and actually not much of anything that occurs when you get right down to it, the problem with LRLs is that finding targets has never actually occurred.
And there is no way to BS your way around that.
~EddieR~
Can you back up that statement?
Gee EddieR..How dare you ask the “Enlighten Ones” for proof. After all were their any Skeptics present when you recovered your Wedding ring?..Why did you not have a news crew present for this event ?..It did not happen if this criteria was not met..Art
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May 24, 2011, 02:53 PM
#12
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by EddieR
 Originally Posted by EE THr
conartie---
While it is true that Science can't explain everything that occurs, and actually not much of anything that occurs when you get right down to it, the problem with LRLs is that finding targets has never actually occurred.
And there is no way to BS your way around that.
Sorry.
Don't be a doof---show the proof!
P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?
ref: Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
Can you back up that statement?
Yes. It's right there in what you quoted, at the bottom.

You are looking right at a giraffe, and calling it an elephant.
What part of the Four Proofs, don't you understand?
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 24, 2011, 02:56 PM
#13
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache
 Originally Posted by Saturna
The LRL mindset is similar to those prophecy wackos, in that whatever happens is always interpreted in their favor, even failure, because they simply must believe no matter what.
2012 will be yet another prophecy failure but it won't matter. Reality need not apply.
Science is one who is predicting something for 2012. So if it fails, will you say the same thing about them?
BTW, I'm not one who is expecting the end of the world in 2012.
No, "Science" isn't predicting anything. There seems to be be a few Politoscientists who are paid to promote that kind of lame propaganda, though.
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 24, 2011, 03:00 PM
#14
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by aarthrj3811
~EE~
While it is true that Science can't explain everything that occurs, and actually not much of anything that occurs when you get right down to it, the problem with LRLs is that finding targets has never actually occurred.
And there is no way to BS your way around that.
~EddieR~
Can you back up that statement?
Gee EddieR..How dare you ask the “Enlighten Ones” for proof. After all were their any Skeptics present when you recovered your Wedding ring?..Why did you not have a news crew present for this event ?..It did not happen if this criteria was not met..Art
Who do you guys think is going to believe all of your fairy tales, when you can't even collect Carl's $25K?
And don't bother whining about how the test is to be conducted, or that you aren't interested in the money, or whatever; because your bogus excuses have all been shown to be phony, many times over already.

Don't be a doof---show the proof!
P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?
ref: Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 24, 2011, 03:01 PM
#15
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by EE THr
 Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache
 Originally Posted by Saturna
The LRL mindset is similar to those prophecy wackos, in that whatever happens is always interpreted in their favor, even failure, because they simply must believe no matter what.
2012 will be yet another prophecy failure but it won't matter. Reality need not apply.
Science is one who is predicting something for 2012. So if it fails, will you say the same thing about them?
BTW, I'm not one who is expecting the end of the world in 2012.
No, "Science" isn't predicting anything. There seems to be be a few Politoscientists who are paid to promote that kind of lame propaganda, though.

Obviously, you haven't been keeping up with the news. Look it up.
Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Acts 13:41
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May 24, 2011, 03:03 PM
#16
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache
 Originally Posted by EE THr
 Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache
 Originally Posted by Saturna
The LRL mindset is similar to those prophecy wackos, in that whatever happens is always interpreted in their favor, even failure, because they simply must believe no matter what.
2012 will be yet another prophecy failure but it won't matter. Reality need not apply.
Science is one who is predicting something for 2012. So if it fails, will you say the same thing about them?
BTW, I'm not one who is expecting the end of the world in 2012.
No, "Science" isn't predicting anything. There seems to be be a few Politoscientists who are paid to promote that kind of lame propaganda, though.

Obviously, you haven't been keeping up with the news. Look it up.
Oh, I've been keeping up with it, alright.
How can you believe that real Scientists would say such things, when nobody with any common sense believes it?
Those predictions are obviously so un-scientific that it is pitiful!
Get real.
An evil group is comprised of the insane, who, out of fear, imagine that they must conspire to destroy those who are honest and able. A good group is made up of honest people, who could each survive on their own, yet work together openly for betterment for themselves and others.
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May 24, 2011, 03:55 PM
#17
 The Watcher
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
~EE~
Oh, I've been keeping up with it, alright.How can you believe that real Scientists would say such things, when nobody with any common sense believes it?Those predictions are obviously so un-scientific that it is pitiful!Get real.
We understand that part of your Opinions.
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.o...e_amazing3.htm
. Even scientists themselves, it turns out, are no match for the diabolical paranormalists. Only skeptics, educated by James “Amazing” Randi and other magicians, are capable of spotting the tricks of the trade. “Scientists are easily fooled,” explained Randi, “because they think they know.” But only skeptics really know.
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May 24, 2011, 03:59 PM
#18
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
hI EE: you keep asking why doesn't someone take Carl's test?
I would like to do so, just to physically meet my friend Carl, but beyond that, while I successfully
found my wedding ring 9 times out 10, and followed that up with the same rate of success in the
sierras to establish a confidence factor with the people up there, I have never used it to look for
treasures, because of an involuntary, self imposed, mental block.
So, despite having successfully proven my ability, I know that I would fail the test because of this problem.
I have no doubt that this same factor applies to many others subconsciously.
In the sierras I would have my hosts hide my universal tool knife somewhere inside of their house
while I am outside, then I would locate it with a single rod - almost 100 %.
This always broke down any barriers and I obtained information that they would not give to another.
This helped in my search for Tayopa.
Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to live, not live to exist"
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May 24, 2011, 04:02 PM
#19
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
 Originally Posted by EE THr
 Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache
 Originally Posted by EE THr
 Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache
 Originally Posted by Saturna
The LRL mindset is similar to those prophecy wackos, in that whatever happens is always interpreted in their favor, even failure, because they simply must believe no matter what.
2012 will be yet another prophecy failure but it won't matter. Reality need not apply.
Science is one who is predicting something for 2012. So if it fails, will you say the same thing about them?
BTW, I'm not one who is expecting the end of the world in 2012.
No, "Science" isn't predicting anything. There seems to be be a few Politoscientists who are paid to promote that kind of lame propaganda, though.

Obviously, you haven't been keeping up with the news. Look it up.
Oh, I've been keeping up with it, alright.
How can you believe that real Scientists would say such things, when nobody with any common sense believes it?
Those predictions are obviously so un-scientific that it is pitiful!
Get real.
What predictions are you talking about? Scientists say that there is a huge alignment of planets on that date. What exactly will happen is speculation, but this alignment is extremely rare. BTW, do you think all scientific things would be wrong if there were not a lot of people who believed it?
Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Acts 13:41
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May 24, 2011, 04:39 PM
#20
Re: Judgment day, then alabis, then Judgment day, then........
HI Kentuck: you posted -->Scientists say that there is a huge alignment of planets on that date
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That represents a potential planet movement, with disruptive power. But remember we are speaking of the new celestial body Whether it applies in the end, remains to be seen, but in the last few years, every time it has aligned to a lesser degree there have been major earth quakes precisely on that date.. The last alignment was when the big one hit Japan
Quote --> "ELEnin NASA JPL Orbit Data
NASA came out with the orbit data for their ELEnin Comet that the Russian supposedly discovered using a remote-controlled telescope in New Mexico (article) at 4.316 AU (400+ million miles) from Earth, but amateur astronomers using telescopes cannot find his comet at less than 2 AU (Astrolpatriot @ Astrolpatriot.com). Careful analysis of the JPL orbit data for this inbound object reveals a startling series of seeming coincidences beginning with the Earth axis shift on February 27, 2010 with the 8.8 Chile Quake that took place on a Sun/Earth/ELEnin alignment. Then we have the September 4, 2010 7.2 Christchurch, New Zealand Quake that happened on a ELEnin/Sun/Earth alignment late last summer. More recently the Earth axis shifted 4 inches at the March 11, 2011 9.0 Japan Quake that also took place on a Sun/Earth/ELEnin alignment saying this inbound object has much greater mass than any mere comet (Video). This Event Timeline (GLP link) was drafted using the NASA JPL orbit data for their ELEnin Comet.
Evidence of a 10th planet began to surface back in January of 1983 with this New York Times article (story) thought at the time to be Planet X. The Wiki general information for a brown dwarf star (link) indicates that these objects are very difficult to see. Most people seem to think that a dwarf star of great mass would be visible if using the ELEnin orbit/flight path, but LUCUS explains why we cannot yet see this inbound object in the first video here. Apparently the combination of being super-cold and containment within a massive gravity well provides the dwarf star with a cloak of invisibility, because the star absorbs light and the gravity well creates a phenomena called Gravitational Lensing (link) that bends light and allows you to see the stars in the distance. The NASA orbit data says this comet reaches perigee in the center of orbit nearest the Sun on September 11, 2011,"
and there you have it.
Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to live, not live to exist"
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