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  1. #1
    LRL fraud debunked

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    how gamblers win

    HOW TO FIND STUFF

    There are guys out there who use LRL's in treasure hunting. And, they say they find stuff.

    Now as it turns out, many of their stories bear the hallmarks of fabrications or simply not understanding themselves what it was that happened.

    But, some of 'em probably do occasionally find stuff, the same way that successful non-LRL users do! Site research, application of reasoning about the site, use of metal detectors and sometimes other functional equipment, and of course digging tools. Evidently the LRL was not a brick wall impediment. And, if the person was selling locating services claiming to have a secret weapon, well, the secret weapon doesn't actually have to work in the field to work at contract signing time.

    GAMBLING

    Treasure hunting is a form of gambling. Gamblers all believe they're winners, that's why the house loves to keep 'em in the game. Nearly all of 'em are losers, but because they occasional win something, their fantasies of being winners are validated and the fact they're broke and the house continues to prosper simply fails to register. If it does somehow register, they reason that on the next roll of the dice it'll be their turn to get even.

    There are a few (just a few) gamblers who are in fact winners. ("The house" is a well known example.) Among all these gamblers who believe they're winners, how is it that a few actually are? Well, the winners think rationally and are disciplined in the practice of skepticism.

    BETTING AGAINST GULLIBILLIES

    In regular gambling, the house bets against the gullibillies, who far outnumber the rational skeptics who manage the house bets.

    In treasure hunting, LRL manufacturers in order to stay in business have to understand who it is they're selling to. Gullibilllies. You can't earn a living selling calculators on a stick to Thomas and Dell and Signal and Vincent! They're in the business and they clean the clocks of gullibillies and not the other way around.

    I ALSO BET AGAINST GULLIBILLIES

    Sometimes I call it "the justice of the LORD" or words to that effect, or I use the other explanation of "Darwin's Law". They're the same thing, actually: the facts everyday life teach this.

    If you've read this post this far, and don't like it, and want to buy an LRL........

    bless you my child, empty your piggy bank on it, just don't steal another kid's piggy bank to do it.

    Dell, Mike, Vincent, Tommy, Chuckie et al., they're yours now, I hereby deliver them to you. When even the people you call "skeptics" are sending business your way, life is good, what eh?

    --Toto


  2. #2
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    The Watcher

    Apr 2004
    Northern Nevada
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    Re: how gamblers win

    ~woof~
    HOW TO FIND STUFF

    There are guys out there who use LRL's in treasure hunting. And, they say they find stuff.
    Yes they do.

    Now as it turns out, many of their stories bear the hallmarks of fabrications or simply not understanding themselves what it was that happened.
    Yes..We are told that by the skeptics every time..

    But, some of 'em probably do occasionally find stuff, the same way that successful non-LRL users do! Site research, application of reasoning about the site,
    Yes we do find stuff using our research and by following the instructions and using good search methods correctly.
    use of metal detectors
    I do not own a conventional Metal Detector...I did not like too dig 100ís of pull tabs before finding a little gold.
    and sometimes other functional equipment, and of course digging tools.
    Yes..I own a Treasure finder 900 that I use occasionally and 3 sets of dowsing rods.
    Evidently the LRL was not a brick wall impediment. And, if the person was selling locating services claiming to have a secret weapon, well, the secret weapon doesn't actually have to work in the field to work at contract signing time.
    Gee.I know of a few successful people who sell locating services.

    GAMBLING

    Treasure hunting is a form of gambling. Gamblers all believe they're winners, that's why the house loves to keep 'em in the game. Nearly all of 'em are losers, but because they occasional win something, their fantasies of being winners are validated and the fact they're broke and the house continues to prosper simply fails to register. If it does somehow register, they reason that on the next roll of the dice it'll be their turn to get even.
    Sorry you feel that way..I do know a few Professional Treasure Hunters but most are just people who Treasure Hunt as their HOBBY.. Yes..Some people find enough stuff to pay their expenses which makes treasure Hunting more enjoyable.

    There are a few (just a few) gamblers who are in fact winners. ("The house" is a well known example.) Among all these gamblers who believe they're winners, how is it that a few actually are? Well, the winners think rationally and are disciplined in the practice of skepticism.
    So..You think that the people who find and recover Treasure are Skeptics?

    BETTING AGAINST GULLIBILLIES

    In regular gambling, the house bets against the gullibillies, who far outnumber the rational skeptics who manage the house bets.
    Very good.

    In treasure hunting, LRL manufacturers in order to stay in business have to understand who it is they're selling to. Gullibilllies. You can't earn a living selling calculators on a stick to Thomas and Dell and Signal and Vincent! They're in the business and they clean the clocks of gullibillies and not the other way around.
    So any treasure hunter who buys a LRL is a gullible person and every business that sells LRL is crooked..then pleasure give us a list of the 1000ís of law suits that have been filed against these crooked businesses?
    I ALSO BET AGAINST GULLIBILLIES

    Sometimes I call it "the justice of the LORD" or words to that effect, or I use the other explanation of "Darwin's Law". They're the same thing, actually: the facts everyday life teach this.

    If you've read this post this far, and don't like it, and want to buy an LRL........

    bless you my child, empty your piggy bank on it, just don't steal another kid's piggy bank to do it.

    Dell, Mike, Vincent, Tommy, Chuckie et al., they're yours now, I hereby deliver them to you. When even the people you call "skeptics" are sending business your way, life is good, what eh?
    Thank You...You are a pretty good LRL salesman...Art

  3. #3
    LRL fraud debunked

    Dec 2010
    ciudadano del universo, residente de El Paso TX
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    Re: how gamblers win

    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811
    (Toto) In treasure hunting, LRL manufacturers in order to stay in business have to understand who it is they're selling to. Gullibilllies. You can't earn a living selling calculators on a stick to Thomas and Dell and Signal and Vincent! They're in the business and they clean the clocks of gullibillies and not the other way around.
    (Art) So any treasure hunter who buys a LRL is a gullible person and every business that sells LRL is crooked..then pleasure give us a list of the 1000ís of law suits that have been filed against these crooked businesses?
    Gullibillies don't sue. They're gullibillies.

    Besides which, the purveyors of LRL's know exactly what they're selling: what they know is exactly the same thing that y'all have been told by Carl and SWR and EE and myself. The proof of that assertion is in their advertising which they usually carefully contrive to "qualify the mark" as a gullibilly, and to make few if any representations about the product that are false, no matter how misleading they might be. So even if a gullibilly smartened up, when they start reading the advertisement and understanding what it said, they discover that the manufacturer is off the hook even though the electronics were fraudulent.

    My recent post "how to use a calculator" is an object lesson on how LRL's are usually advertised. My post was intentionally very misleading (not by accident!), but not objectively false. If you weren't suckered by my post, you shouldn't be suckered by LRL advertising.

    --Toto


  4. #4
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    The Watcher

    Apr 2004
    Northern Nevada
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    Re: how gamblers win

    ~woof~
    Gullibillies don't sue. They're gullibillies.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=gullibilly
    A large portion of any human population that is easily gullible to any religion, political party, or social trend no matter how preposterous. Gullibillies exist in every race, class, culture, or society and their beliefs are dictated more by demographics than actual intellect, basic cognition, or critical examination. Until a gullibilly becomes hardwired, they can be easily swayed into any belief system.
    So tell us which religion, political party or social trends that LRL users fall into?
    My recent post "how to use a calculator" is an object lesson on how LRL's are usually advertised. My post was intentionally very misleading (not by accident!), but not objectively false. If you weren't suckered by my post, you shouldn't be suckered by LRL advertising.
    I would guess that your interpretation of advertisement is much different than ordinary people...If you do not like the advertisements why do you go to the Web sites as I donít see them any place else...Art

  5. #5
    LRL fraud debunked

    Dec 2010
    ciudadano del universo, residente de El Paso TX
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    Re: how gamblers win

    Thanks, Art, I thought I invented the word "gullibilly". Either someone else beat me to it, or it caught on fast!

    I like LRL advertising. Numerous times I've praised how it reveals what the manufacturers know about their product and their target market. In particular, I have singled out the Thomas "Gravitator" print ads as being superb examples of the genre, although I thought the early version was better than the slightly revised edition that kicks around nowadays.

    When it comes to the attention to detail given to the "truth in advertising" principle, the Gravitator ad is in a class by itself. I get a kick out of it every time I see it. Yocum's old "truth in advertising" ad was really amateurish by comparison.

    --Toto




  6. #6
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    The Watcher

    Apr 2004
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    Re: how gamblers win

    Here again you want to talk about advertisement...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising
    Advertising is a form of communication used to encourage or persuade an audience (viewers, readers or listeners) to continue or take some new action. Most commonly, the desired result is to drive consumer behavior with respect to a commercial offering, although political and ideological advertising is also common. The purpose of advertising may also be to reassure employees or shareholders that a company is viable or successful. Advertising messages are usually paid for by sponsors and viewed via various traditional media; including mass media such as newspaper, magazines, television commercial, radio advertisement, outdoor advertising or direct mail; or new media such as websites and text messages.
    Commercial advertisers often seek to generate increased consumption of their products or services through "Branding," which involves the repetition of an image or product name in an effort to associate certain qualities with the brand in the minds of consumers. Non-commercial advertisers who spend money to advertise items other than a consumer product or service include political parties, interest groups, religious organizations and governmental agencies. Nonprofit organizations may rely on free modes of persuasion, such as a public service announcement (PSA).

    Looks to me like the adís are selling a lot of product...Art

  7. #7
    LRL fraud debunked

    Dec 2010
    ciudadano del universo, residente de El Paso TX
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    410 times
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    Re: how gamblers win

    Art, did you even read the Wiki you posted? The content of an advertisement reveals the intentions of the advertiser, which in turn reveals what the advertiser knows about the product and the market to which it is targeted. "Read the advertisement!"

    When you read LRL advertising, what you find is products that the advertiser knows can't find anything, and a target market who will be happy even if the product doesn't find anything and never could in the first place.

    --Toto


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    The Watcher

    Apr 2004
    Northern Nevada
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    Re: how gamblers win

    ~woof~
    Art, did you even read the Wiki you posted? The content of an advertisement reveals the intentions of the advertiser, which in turn reveals what the advertiser knows about the product and the market to which it is targeted. "Read the advertisement!"
    ĎIf you say so after all ,..

    When you read LRL advertising, what you find is products that the advertiser knows can't find anything, and a target market who will be happy even if the product doesn't find anything and never could in the first place.
    It is funny that none of us read anything like that...Is that one of those eyeball things again?..Art

  9. #9
    LRL fraud debunked

    Dec 2010
    ciudadano del universo, residente de El Paso TX
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    Re: how gamblers win

    Art, Mike's been giving you first class demos right here in this forum, of what his advertising reveals about what he knows about his product, and what kind of people are the perfect market for that kind of product.

    We've all noticed that you weren't standing at the head of the line when reading comprehension was passed out. Sorry, that's just how it is. You will never "get it", no amount of explanations and actual demos will ever fix it for you.

    I'm glad at least that you seem to have figured out that with respect to commercial gambling, it doesn't pay to bet against the house no matter how much lipstick they put on their pig. And your LRL doodlebugging seems harmless enough.

    --Toto

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    The Watcher

    Apr 2004
    Northern Nevada
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    Re: how gamblers win

    ~woof~
    I'm glad at least that you seem to have figured out that with respect to commercial gambling, it doesn't pay to bet against the house no matter how much lipstick they put on their pig. And your LRL doodlebugging seems harmless enough.
    Yes that is one type of entertainment where all the people are gullible and according to you are being ripped off. I went to the NUGGET for dinner last night..It was terrible to push my way through all those gullible people packed into the casino...I guess we need a law that would not let people spend thier money doing what they enjoy..Art

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    LRL fraud debunked

    Dec 2010
    ciudadano del universo, residente de El Paso TX
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    Underground detection

    Re: how gamblers win

    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811
    ~woof~
    I'm glad at least that you seem to have figured out that with respect to commercial gambling, it doesn't pay to bet against the house no matter how much lipstick they put on their pig. And your LRL doodlebugging seems harmless enough.
    Yes that is one type of entertainment where all the people are gullible and according to you are being ripped off. I went to the NUGGET for dinner last night..It was terrible to push my way through all those gullible people packed into the casino...I guess we need a law that would not let people spend thier money doing what they enjoy..Art
    Many years ago I took my wife to Harrah's. She'd never been in a casino before, never even seen a slot machine in person although she'd heard that such things existed. So I took her to the quarter slots with a roll of quarters and told her to have at it. She didn't know what to do, so I explained it to her. To her it made no sense. I finally explained it this way: "It's as simple as a Coke machine, you just put the coin in and pull the handle, except most of the time nothing happens." She was incredulous that people could be entertained by something that stupid. But what the heck, she was there for the experience, blew the roll of quarters, and that was the end of her interest in slot machines.

    --Toto


  12. #12
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    The Watcher

    Apr 2004
    Northern Nevada
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    Re: how gamblers win

    ~woof~
    Many years ago I took my wife to Harrah's. She'd never been in a casino before, never even seen a slot machine in person although she'd heard that such things existed. So I took her to the quarter slots with a roll of quarters and told her to have at it. She didn't know what to do, so I explained it to her. To her it made no sense. I finally explained it this way: "It's as simple as a Coke machine, you just put the coin in and pull the handle, except most of the time nothing happens." She was incredulous that people could be entertained by something that stupid. But what the heck, she was there for the experience, blew the roll of quarters, and that was the end of her interest in slot machines.
    Millions of people seem to enjoy slot machines..How they spend their money is still their right..Art

 

 

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