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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinio1965 View Post
    Hello Carl and other users.

    You write that you had over 30 Lrls.
    Could you name the models you tested and didn't work for you?

    Have you had one of the TFR series from John of Idaho?
    I'm interested in whether this Lrl also doesn't work.
    Here is an old list of what I have & have tested:

    https://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/list.dat

    There are a few more that are not on the list.

    The fundamental concept does not work, so it really doesn't matter which LRL you look at. And if you believe the concept does work, then it really doesn't matter which LRL you buy. Though I haven't specifically tested the TFR, it will not work as well as any other. And by "John," I suppose you mean Spar Giedeman, his real name. If you've read the rest of this thread the posts by "Contactlight" are actually from Mr. Giedeman. If that's the kind of guy you want to deal with, then I urge you to send him some money. You have an education coming.
    Last edited by Carl-NC; Sep 02, 2019 at 09:48 PM. Reason: sp
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  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl-NC View Post
    Here is an old list of what I have & have tested:

    https://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/list.dat

    There are a few more that are not on the list.

    The fundamental concept does not work, so it really doesn't matter which LRL you look at. And if you believe the concept does work, then it really doesn't matter which LRL you buy. Though I haven't specifically tested the TFR, it will not work as well as any other. And by "John," I suppose you mean Spar Giedeman, his real name. If you've read the read of this thread the posts by "Contactlight" are actually from Mr. Giedeman. If that's the kind of guy you want to deal with, then I urge you to send him some money. You have an education coming.
    I agree with you Carl. All the lights and gauges only serve the user by giving them the confidence needed to use such an instrument as a dowsing device. They are just dowsing rods, with flashing lights to trick your mind in to thinking its an effective instrument. Just bend some copper rods in to L-rods and you will have the same exact results, if you believe.

    But for whatever reason, its hard for me to have the same confidence in these single handed swivel like rods as I do a plain set of copper L-rods. As a result they don't work very well for me. But one time I saw one being used on a site where there were known gold deposits. The thing was really doing something and honestly I was amazed by it. Once I saw how it was working I had belief in it. Then I tried it for myself. The thing was reacting strongly to some kind of unseen field. No doubt about it. 100%
    Last edited by NinjaT; Sep 02, 2019 at 08:41 PM.

  3. #153
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    This is what i call preconceived notions and you are asking a skeptic to confirm it. You're wise to read that book, but you got a lot learn. Remember what I said about getting misinformation off the internet. Huge mistake!

    I don't even expect you to understand and I'm not here to try and convince you about LRL's. When you have the negative thinking you are going to end up like every other close-minded skeptic who can't dowse or use an LRL.
    Last edited by signal_line; Sep 02, 2019 at 11:08 PM.
    Love transcends this world we live in to Heaven.
    I'll leave it to you to figure out where the opposite goes.

    If your heart is in it you will find a thousand ways to achieve your goal.
    If your heart is not in it you will find a thousand excuses.

    Ouija Board and map dowsing , one and the same. Just tape a map onto the Ouija Board and you have map dowsing.
    Works great if you like wild goose chases and snipe hunts!

    L-rods are obsolete.

    May you never take one single breath for granted.

  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by signal_line View Post
    This is what i call preconceived notions and you are asking a skeptic to confirm it. You're wise to read that book, but you got a lot learn. Remember what I said about getting misinformation off the internet. Huge mistake!

    I don't even expect you to understand and I'm not here to try and convince you about LRL's. When you have the negative thinking you are going to end up like every other close-minded skeptic who can't dowse or use an LRL.
    I believe in the frequency based stuff and I believe there is a actual physical reaction taking place. Just not the gadget like swivel handle LRLs. They are just fancy dowsing rods. They work if you believe they do. But the electronics inside them are meaningless. I could be wrong... You're right in saying I have a lot to learn
    Last edited by NinjaT; Sep 02, 2019 at 11:52 PM.

  5. #155
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    Pretty much every dowsing device is in fact an LRL, some much cruder than others.

    As Hills says,

    "The diviner's implements and tools are no better than the diviner him(her)self in exactly the same way that a carpenter's skill is not inherent in the chisels he uses.

    On the other hand, however great a carpenter is he cannot drill a half-inch hole with a one inch bit."
    Love transcends this world we live in to Heaven.
    I'll leave it to you to figure out where the opposite goes.

    If your heart is in it you will find a thousand ways to achieve your goal.
    If your heart is not in it you will find a thousand excuses.

    Ouija Board and map dowsing , one and the same. Just tape a map onto the Ouija Board and you have map dowsing.
    Works great if you like wild goose chases and snipe hunts!

    L-rods are obsolete.

    May you never take one single breath for granted.

  6. #156
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    Anybody wanting to learn, man, you just get hit from all sides. One side you got the skeptics on the other side you got people who don't want you to learn. They are sneaky about it and feed the misinformation with the hopes you will get frustrated and just give up. One of the big lies is that it is easy to learn. Another one is you have to be "gifted".

    You won't learn without some basic form of meditation to reach a Zen-like state. just simple breathing exercise like The Great Yoga breath, where you slowly inhale through your nose to the count of five and slowly exhale to the count of five. Follow your breath in and don't think of anything else. Do this twice a day for twenty to thirty minutes for about eight weeks before expecting any results. Most people are way too impatient and think they should be able to learn in a couple days or weeks. And of course the actual daily dowsing practice and feedback. Toss a target in your yard and then go find it.
    Last edited by signal_line; Sep 03, 2019 at 08:52 AM.
    Love transcends this world we live in to Heaven.
    I'll leave it to you to figure out where the opposite goes.

    If your heart is in it you will find a thousand ways to achieve your goal.
    If your heart is not in it you will find a thousand excuses.

    Ouija Board and map dowsing , one and the same. Just tape a map onto the Ouija Board and you have map dowsing.
    Works great if you like wild goose chases and snipe hunts!

    L-rods are obsolete.

    May you never take one single breath for granted.

  7. #157
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    Of course when someone says "It's easy to learn, you don't need meditation." it is human nature to take the easy path. But that's the path of failure. In case you don't know, almost no one gets it this way. Sure, a lot of people THINK they have learned but once in the field they fall flat on their face. Follow every word Hills says and you got a real chance.
    Last edited by signal_line; Sep 03, 2019 at 09:03 AM.
    Love transcends this world we live in to Heaven.
    I'll leave it to you to figure out where the opposite goes.

    If your heart is in it you will find a thousand ways to achieve your goal.
    If your heart is not in it you will find a thousand excuses.

    Ouija Board and map dowsing , one and the same. Just tape a map onto the Ouija Board and you have map dowsing.
    Works great if you like wild goose chases and snipe hunts!

    L-rods are obsolete.

    May you never take one single breath for granted.

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    Yes, lrls do work, justaman is justified.
    Last edited by octoberchild; Dec 05, 2019 at 05:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darke View Post
    Since I'm publishing all all the TFR open source project on my site anyway if figured people might either get a kick out this or they can try it out themselves. This is the TFR-2 master box and the Hieronymus amplifier copy I built for Spar to make copies of. He is changing the amplifier because this one is too difficult to build(sigh) and shorts out. And the original plans. Anyone should be able to realize why they were unusable. If you do build one please do not wind the bait chamber coil like that. The board on the back panel was just to allow easy soldering of all the negative wires and resistor to the batteries. Edit: Forgot to mention this a completely metaphysical device. I'd refer to it as an enhanced dowsing device.
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    Hi,did you get this circuit to work? I made one and tested it with a sine generator in and a purpose out but I get very noisy output. Usually the jfets need at least some resistances on the drain and source but here I see that there are none. Thanks for your help!

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    Two rules in life: Don't sweat the small stuff.

    It's all small stuff.

  11. #161
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    Yes ok I know the LRLs but I was wondering if that circuit with those jfet works electrically. I think not for the above reasons. To make it work it needs some modifications and can be very sensitive.I repeat: do this only for the amp stage and not for the device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold Maven View Post
    Don't forget that was written by rabidly-biased skeptics. Most likely they tried to use an L-rod and failed. Those pompous types would never admit they are at fault. So the big cop-out is to blame the equipment. But the manufacturer many times has the misleading and downright false advertising. If the rod has a swivel handle or pivoting antenna it is going to take a long time to learn, and most people never do. In most cases the rod is not the problem, it's learning to quiet the mind so your conscious mind doesn't control things. But just because a rod looks nice does not mean it is built right. You get scammers who don't know what they are doing. And worse yet thsat one guy is now selling a $500 add-on to fix the rod problems. Scam upon scam. I watched a video the guy says his rod is Light years ahead. That guy does not understand how to build a rod.

    The energies are subtle. And to make matters worse there are people claiming it's easy and you don't need any meditation skills. Human nature especially those with gold fever always are going to take the easy way out---and fail.
    Last edited by signal_line; Feb 18, 2021 at 09:31 AM.
    Love transcends this world we live in to Heaven.
    I'll leave it to you to figure out where the opposite goes.

    If your heart is in it you will find a thousand ways to achieve your goal.
    If your heart is not in it you will find a thousand excuses.

    Ouija Board and map dowsing , one and the same. Just tape a map onto the Ouija Board and you have map dowsing.
    Works great if you like wild goose chases and snipe hunts!

    L-rods are obsolete.

    May you never take one single breath for granted.

 

 
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