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    Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Many bibliographies of The Lost Adams Diggings include Lieut. Col. W.H. Emory's Notes of a Military Reconnaissance from Fort Leavenworth, Missouri, to San Diego, California... Thirtieth Congress - First Session, Ex. Doc. No. 41 (Washington, DC: 1848).

    One reason, of course, is that many lost mine authors are content to copy the work of previous scribes, rather than complete actual research.

    My question: What does this report have to do with the Lost Adams Diggings?

    From page 66:

    "As the story goes, the Prierte river flows down from the mountains, freighted with gold. Its sands are said to be full of the precious metal. A few adventurers, who ascended the river hunting beaver, washed the sands at night when they halted, and were richly rewarded. Tempted by their success, they made a second trip, and were attacked, and most of them killed by the Indians. My authority for this statement is Londreau, who, though an illiterate man, is truthful."

    http://books.google.com/books?id=ggF...page&q&f=false

    Here's a link to the famous map included in this report. Follow Lieut. Col. emory's route and locate October 26th.

    http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/serv...ce-Of-The-Ark#

    As is often the case, it appears the source for this is John D. Mitchell. In Lost Mines of the Great Southwest; Including Stories of Hidden Treasures (Phoenix, Arizona: 1933), he quotes Lieut. Col. Emory's report. The same information may be found in Mitchell's Desert Magazine article "Lost Adams Diggings" (July, 1941). Eugene L. Conrotto told it again in Lost Desert Bonanzas (Palm Desert, California: 1963).

    It should be noted Mr. Mitchell named the river the "Prieto" and the teller of the tale "Landreau."

    How is this account connected to The Lost Adams Diggings? Lieut. Col. Emory's account is from October 1848 - as Mr. Conrotto correctly pointed out, well before the generally agreed upon time of Adams' visiting and then losing his Diggings.

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo

    PS: In his book, Mr. Mitchelll quotes a letter from Robert T, Emmet, 2nd Lt. of the Ninth Cav., USA. It was dated March 5, 1882. It would be quite interesting to read that entire letter - but that's another story...
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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Bookaroo
    Many bibliographies of The Lost Adams Diggings include Lieut. Col. W.H. Emory's Notes of a Military Reconnaissance from Fort Leavenworth, Missouri, to San Diego, California... Thirtieth Congress - First Session, Ex. Doc. No. 41 (Washington, DC: 1848).

    One reason, of course, is that many lost mine authors are content to copy the work of previous scribes, rather than complete actual research.

    My question: What does this report have to do with the Lost Adams Diggings?

    From page 66:

    "As the story goes, the Prierte river flows down from the mountains, freighted with gold. Its sands are said to be full of the precious metal. A few adventurers, who ascended the river hunting beaver, washed the sands at night when they halted, and were richly rewarded. Tempted by their success, they made a second trip, and were attacked, and most of them killed by the Indians. My authority for this statement is Londreau, who, though an illiterate man, is truthful."

    http://books.google.com/books?id=ggF...page&q&f=false

    Here's a link to the famous map included in this report. Follow Lieut. Col. emory's route and locate October 26th.

    http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/serv...ce-Of-The-Ark#

    As is often the case, it appears the source for this is John D. Mitchell. In Lost Mines of the Great Southwest; Including Stories of Hidden Treasures (Phoenix, Arizona: 1933), he quotes Lieut. Col. Emory's report. The same information may be found in Mitchell's Desert Magazine article "Lost Adams Diggings" (July, 1941). Eugene L. Conrotto told it again in Lost Desert Bonanzas (Palm Desert, California: 1963).

    It should be noted Mr. Mitchell named the river the "Prieto" and the teller of the tale "Landreau."

    How is this account connected to The Lost Adams Diggings? Lieut. Col. Emory's account is from October 1848 - as Mr. Conrotto correctly pointed out, well before the generally agreed upon time of Adams' visiting and then losing his Diggings.

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo

    PS: In his book, Mr. Mitchelll quotes a letter from Robert T, Emmet, 2nd Lt. of the Ninth Cav., USA. It was dated March 5, 1882. It would be quite interesting to read that entire letter - but that's another story...
    Good post, Bookey. The Emory Report is a gem, and the map is excellent, although a number of the placenames have changed since its publication - always a tricky situation for researchers. I guess this is the source for the story of the "early LAD" (1840's). Of couse, all the watercourses of the Southwest were explored ca 1820-1840's by the beaver trappers operating out of Taos, and it's certainly possible one of them found gold in the Rio Prieto. If so, maybe his name was Adams, - hence a possible explanation for the confusion with the well-known later Adams of 1864.

    The Rio Prieto later became known as the Rio San Francisco, its current name, and may have been the route (or close to it) of the Coronado expedition that found Zuni in 1540. In addition, I have an interesting military report from the Apache days that mentions a detachment of soldiers finding old placer workings up the Rio San Francisco (the report is buried in my old files - I'll try to ferret it out next week and provide more details). Anyway, it seems like the Rio San Francisco has a good share of gold-seeker legends associated with it. IMO, if the LAD actually exists, this watershed may be where the diggings are located. It's rough, rough terrain.
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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Springfield:

    Thank you for the kind words!

    Mitchell follows "Prieto" with "(Black)" (I should have included that and I didn't) - an example of your point that often the names change.

    Certainly some of the beaver men kept a weather eye out for gold. Thomas L. Smith comes to mind as one example.

    I, for one, would be quite interested in the report you mention. While I know what it's like to have information "filed away" in The One Big File - I do hope you locate and share it.

    Good luck to all,

    The Old Bookaroo
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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Greetings Gentelmen:
    The report in question is the Col. Brown military report of Oct 1 - Nov 27, 1864 found in The War of the Rebellion Series 1 Vol XLI (part 1 reports) pages 867 thru 878 incl.. A very detailed directional report.
    Ron Jensen used this report as the basis of his LAD hunts.
    Regards,
    Sonoita Bob

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    Sonoita-Bob:

    Thanks for the lead to Col. Brown's report. Here's a link to it:

    http://ehistory.osu.edu/osu/sources/...ge=867&dir=083

    Would you post where you read about this in Mr. Jensen's work? I'd like to give credit where it is due.

    I remain quite interested in the letter referenced by Mr. Mitchell. That would, I think, be considerably more difficult to run down.

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo
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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Old Book:

    The LAD research group that compared notes on the OLD T-Net forum, which included Springfield and myself amoung others, were investigating old military correspondence and reports including those in the War of the Rebellion series as the war years could possibily be related to the Adams time frame. According to my records, we found Col. Brown's reconnaissance report in April 2004. At the time we considered that location to be one of the many LAD possibilities.

    Later, the Jensen website appeared reporting his search for the LAD and mentioning his finding a military report describing the same area their group was interested in. When he quoted some of the daily entries, I knew he was talking about the same military report. Jensen was sure he had found the LAD. My best wishes to him, but I have my doubts. Strange, to my knowledge, there appears to be no further news from him.

    If you were to ask me, I would be looking for the Adams in the eastern part of the San Carlos Res or across the Black in the Apache Res.

    Sincerely, Sonoita Bob

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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Old Book:

    I'm having a little trouble with the Lt.Robert Emmet letter referenced in John D. Mitchell's book LM of the GSW.

    According to my Brandes, Camp Apache (Camp Ord) was not established until Spring of 1870 when Maj. John Green undertook the building of the first leg of a road from Fort Goodwin on the Gila. He named it Camp Ord, later in 1871 the name was changed to Camp Apache. So, if the Lt. Emmet letter dated 1882 claims almost 20 years ago Adams stopped at Camp Apache for supplies, 1862 or thereabouts....which Camp Apache could that be?

    Good old John D got tripped up again! He was known around Arizona for his stories? or actually other peoples stories with his spin.

    Regards, Sonoita Bob

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    Sonoita-Bob: Thank you for that information! John Mitchell is a most interesting case. He was a lost mine hunter who actually spent time in the field - and one can not truthfully say that about many writers. His book was published by Milton Rose - who must have believed the stories to have worked (and paid) to get them into print.

    On the other hand, of course, Mr. Mitchell did't provide a large number of sources. And some of his yarns have proved out better than others.

    For the benefit of readers who don't have ready access to his book, here's the quote from the letter. The book is out of copyright, so I have no problem reproducing that information here.

    “Nearly twenty years ago a man named Adams with seven others came from California into Arizona prospecting. They stopped at Camp Apache for rations and continued east. A few days march from Apache they found a great deal of gold in a small canyon. One of the men, a German, after working about ten days, became alarmed about the Indians and left, carrying about ten or twelve thousand dollars in gold as a result of his labor. This is shown by the books of the Post Trade at Fort Yuma who bought the gold from him.

    “The remainder of the party built a cabin and continued work till rations were low, when all but two, Adams and another man, started back to Camp Apache for supplies. The gold they had already mined was buried under the floor of the cabin.

    “Adams and his companion waited till they thought the others should have returned when becoming quite alarmed at their long absence, they started in search of them.

    “Looking back from the mountains on which they were climbing they saw the cabin in flames and their comrades, who had come in from another direction being massacred by the Indians. They concealed themselves till after dark and escaped.”

    The "Camp Apache" could well have been a temporary outpost, not a fort. I'm guessing there were quite a few camps named Apache over the years - it's an obvious name.

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    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo
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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoita-Bob
    Greetings Gentelmen:
    The report in question is the Col. Brown military report of Oct 1 - Nov 27, 1864 found in The War of the Rebellion Series 1 Vol XLI (part 1 reports) pages 867 thru 878 incl.. A very detailed directional report.
    Ron Jensen used this report as the basis of his LAD hunts.
    Regards,
    Sonoita Bob
    Bob - thanks for posting the info on the military report. One of my projects this year is to reorganize all my scattered LAD info. And thanks for providing me with the report in the first place.

    Off-topic, Bob: do you know anything about Wildcat Silver's mine somewhere in the Patagonia, AZ area? Great drill results. I was thinking about picking up a few shares when (if) the price of silver corrects (hopefully down to about $30).
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    Re: Lieut. Col. William Emory's "Notes" and The Lost Adams Diggings

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Bookaroo
    .... “Nearly twenty years ago a man named Adams with seven others came from California into Arizona prospecting. They stopped at Camp Apache for rations and continued east. A few days march from Apache they found a great deal of gold in a small canyon. One of the men, a German, after working about ten days, became alarmed about the Indians and left, carrying about ten or twelve thousand dollars in gold as a result of his labor. This is shown by the books of the Post Trade at Fort Yuma who bought the gold from him....."
    A theory pioneered by Jack Purcell identifies Jacob Snively as a likely candidate for the role of 'the Dutchman' of the LAD legends. Snively allegedly rode into Pinos Altos in 1864 with $10,000 worth of placer gold, and later sold it in Yuma ... or so the story goes. However, I haven't seen any solid documentation explaining the source of this story. Snively also supposedly claimed the placer came from a place 125 miles 'north of Pinos Altos', but again, this statement would be hard to hang your hat on.

    I wish there was more written about Snively- his life was remarkable, what little we know about him.
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    Springfield:

    I'm glad you mentioned Jack Purcell. His book The Lost Adams Diggings; Myth, Mystery and Madness (2003) is essential. There hasn't been another author I'm aware of to combine his research efforts with his on-the-ground experience.

    If you are interested in Jacob Snively, there is a post on page 2 here (dated Jay 19, 2008) that provides some interesting leads.

    Wouldn't it be great if some of the "treasure" writers worked on new stories - such as his - rather than simply re-hash the old yarns?

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo
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    Ol' Bookaroo wrote
    If you are interested in Jacob Snively, there is a post on page 2 here (dated Jay 19, 2008) that provides some interesting leads.

    Wouldn't it be great if some of the "treasure" writers worked on new stories - such as his - rather than simply re-hash the old yarns?
    The treasure magazines are always looking for new talent amigo, hint-hint, wink-wink, nudge-nudge
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    Oroblanco:

    Thank you for the nudge. I've been down that trail. My first "treasure magazine" article was written when I was still in high school. I had forty-some articles published in Western Treasures. True Treasure, Treasure World, Lost Treasure, Ray Smith's old magazine that came out back in the day, Johnnie Pounds ran one of mine, etc., etc.

    I published the first true story of the Yankee Blade. I wrote the first story that proved the US Army payroll aboard the Brother Jonathan was just a fraction of the fabled amount - and in paper money, to boot.

    Didn't mean to start bragging. I'm much more interested in books these days. The magazines don't pay much (not that they ever did) - if they pay at all.

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo
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    Old Bookaroo wrote
    The magazines don't pay much (not that they ever did) - if they pay at all.
    Say it isn't so! Why I have been informed by several well-informed individuals right here on T-net, that it is in the sales of those stories and books that is where all the money lies for treasure hunting. I am aware of the pay scale, if any, which some folks really do not know the truth on. Just thought your suggestion might be worthy of getting it into print for all of us.
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