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  1. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMatt View Post
    I've read some earth quake data that another member posted about quakes in NM, and there were a few. Not sure about their timing though, so not sure if its a major true event in the story or not.

    How high would the canyon walls have to be relative to the canyon's width to completely fill or cover the interior of the canyon if the walls fell in a quake? Or at least enough to make it unrecognizable? And that would also be big enough for trees to grow in large enough to build a cabin with.
    From http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/publications/.../EMv9n1_09.pdf

    " ... The largest regional historic earthquake was the 1887 M 7.4 earthquake that ruptured 63 miles (101 km) of the Pitaycachi fault in Sonora, Mexico. The event was felt as far away as Santa Fe to the north, Toluca near Mexico City to the south, Yuma, Arizona, on the west, and 155 miles (96 km) east of El Paso, Texas. The earthquake caused 51 deaths in small communities close to the epicenter due to collapsed adobe structures. Many landslides and ground cracks were reported ..."
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  2. #167
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    But that is probably too far away to have caused the damage that is described in Jack Purcell's book, isn't it? From the story:
    "The whole mountain looked as if it had been crushed by giant hands, as a child would crush a snowball".

    That sounds like there may have been a quake closer, or even centered on the area, that maybe wasn't even reported in historical records. I was in Sacramento in the late 1980's when that big quake struck San Francisco/Bay Area. I got nauseated a little, so I knew the ground was moving, and all the parts hung on pegs in the auto parts place I was working at started swinging around in place. But nothing that could have damaged geological structures or buildings. So I don't think the quake in Mexico would have caused the damage described in Jack's book.

    Curious, though, many of the LAD stories state that a geologist would never have found the LAD, because there were no signs of mineralization around it. Yet in the Baxter story there is talk of "pink hills" and "copper stained shale". We also know that gold forms in areas that are subject to a lot of quakes, which opens up veins in the rocks for mineral bearing water to flow through and leave deposits. Perhaps the LAD is in an area that is, for whatever reason, very geologically unstable/active relative to surrounding areas. The relatively recent lava flows in the area also bear witness to this guess of mine. But perhaps the same conditions that were conducive to gold formation there have now hidden the LAD from our searching eyes with an earthquake that destroyed the site.

    I live in Albuquerque, and as a single guy have a lot of time on my hands. I may start driving over into that area, and I am often over there for work. I love my lost treasure hunts in the San Juans, but may also start looking at this tale, which is a little closer to Albuquerque.

  3. #168
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    I just dug out Black Range Tales and re-read McKenna's story about Jason Baxter finding the LAD and the earthquake later destroying the canyon. Seems like Baxter never recovered any gold when he first entered the canyon - he was too busy fighting for his life against the Apaches. As he was making his escape in a raging storm in the middle of the night, lightning flashes illuminated a burned down cabin and some sluice boxes, but he was in too big a hurry to investigate further - Indians, you know. Must have been the rich canyon though - right? Baxter's main landmark was 'Island Mountain', presumably somewhere west of Socorro.

    Later, he led McKenna back to the canyon and claimed all the good stuff was buried under landslides.

    Interestingly, Baxter claimed the Adams Diggings ("if they existed," as he said) were the same place as the Shaeffer Diggings, the Snively Diggings and the Ni**er Diggings - all referred to as the Lost Canyon Diggings. Baxter, who claimed to know Adams, also said, "I never put much stock in Adams' tale." Baxter was also described as having ridden with Quantrill's raiders during the Civil War - might be a message here for you JJ followers.
    Last edited by Springfield; Nov 15, 2013 at 03:33 PM.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  4. #169
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    I have finished reading several books recommended by other LAD commentators here, and now understand much better what the situation was and is. Does Jack Purcell post here? If not, has anyone been in contact with him or know him?

    I spoke with dustedyou last night, and he has been exploring old abandoned mines smack dab in the middle of the LAD search area around HYW 60 in NM. Until I talked to him about it last night, he had never heard of the LAD. I plan on getting together with him very soon and making sure he knows what to look for, as he is a true desert varmint. He is constantly prospecting in the area out there anyway, so he might as well keep an eye out for certain other things while he is at it.

    If it weren't for the fact that Adams and others came back and looked for the LAD location for many years, I would think it was all made up to cover a gold heist from a group headed east. Why would more than one survivor of the attack that year, including Adams himself, come back and search many years later if there wasn't something to find? For show? I kinda doubt it. It is very possible, though, that Brewer was able to find it and used the gold to start up his operation in Mexico. Even so, I doubt he would have removed all traces of the placer, as has been pointed out by others.

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    I can imagine a scenario with Adams bragging about his exploits in the local ginmils until being
    "persuaded" to show his cards or become a laughingstock.
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    Springfield:

    Guess I'm slow on the uptake. While reading your post it came to me where Will Henry got the title for his novel - McKenna's Gold.

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo

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    CI:

    I don't think the White Caps were KKK. They were part of the long history of California Vigilantes. There were at least three cycles of those - two during the Gold Rush/post-Gold Rush period in San Francisco.

    Sadly, California had a number of these movements - down to the 1930s. There was a well-known lynching of suspects in San Jose.

    Unlike in the Deep South, these movements were not primarily racially oriented.

    And, of course, they were not limited to California. In Helldorado, Billy Breckenridge mentions late in life he was invited to a hanging by a local sheriff. He declined, thinking he'd seen three already - none of them, however, conducted by officers of the court.

    Good luck to all,

    ~The Old Bookaroo

  8. #173
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    Please forgive if this was posted earlier, but here is a document showing Robert T Emmet being posted at a Union military camp in 1877 in New Mexico.

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  9. #174
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    He was later posted in Oklahoma in 1883, and finished up his military career in New York around 1898. Ancestry.com has all of his military postings over the years available online.

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    While researching Henry O. Flipper's time at West Point - specifically, where in the Class of 1877 he graduated - I was reading the roster and found that Robert T. Emmet was a classmate of his! Second Lieut. Emmet graduated 53rd in a class of 76 (2nd Lieut. Flipper was 50th).

    Lieut. Emmet was Aide-de-camp to Major-General Pope from January 7, 1882 to October 21, 1885. To refresh the reader's memory, the letter in question was dated March 5, 1882.

    I also read that Lieut. Emmet was on "Frontier Duty" at Ojo Caliente, New Mexico, from December 26, 1877, to March 18, 1878, then on the Ute Expedition until September 10, 1878. Lieut Emmet was transferred to Ft. Union "commanding Indian scouts in the field" until February 10, 1881, "being engaged in fights with Apache Indians" on September 18 and 29, 1879, and April 12, 1880.

    He was promoted to First Lieutenant on January 20, 1883.

    - Biographical Register of the Officers and Graduates of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, New York...Third edition, revised and extended (Boston & New York: 1891).

    Good luck to all,

    The Old Bookaroo
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