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    The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    There are lots of theories about who might have made them, when they were made, where they were made, why they were made, and whether they were found or stolen.

    But the only thing that is for certain, is that there are some stone maps, commonly refered to as "The Peralta Stones," and that, whatever they are, they do exist. That is the only thing, I think, that is absolutely known about them.

    There seems to have been several copies made, at various times, by various people, as can be seen by the different photographs of them having stone colors, and stain colors and patterns, which are not the same.

    And there are some photographs of them on a car belonging to Travis Tumlinson. These are supposedly the earliest images of them.

    Beyond that, the only solid evidence is the Stones themselves. Everything else is just conjecture, and although some evidence of their origin seems very convincing, it's a mighty foggy subject.

    And that is the reason for this topic title.

    Do the maps, themselves, tell their own story?

    It would help to have good, high resolution, photographs of the originals---but there are so many copies, how does one know which is which?



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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    I should add that at least one person on this fourm, Cactus Jumper, has followed the trail on the Stones to the end, and has very well documented that.
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    One question that I have wondered about for a long time, is why do the creeks on the Stones run in the wrong direction?

    Some folks have, for different reasons, thought that these Stone Maps were designed by highly trained map makers, either by ariel observation or by precision surveying skills. But how can that be if they couldn't draw the creeks right?
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Another thing that I noticed, and mentioned in another thread, was the similarity between the symbol in the early map, below, which appears to be a copy of Julia Thomas map of 1892.

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    and the symbol on the Peralta Heart Stone, below.

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    Although the copy is from "Unnamed," it would have had to have been made after Julia's original. And that raises the question---if it is a copy of Julia's, and if it is more than just a coincidence that the two symbols look the same, then, "Was the paper map copying the Heart Stone, or was the Heart Stone copying the paper map?---And why?

    If the paper symbol is copying the Heart Stone, then that portion of the Stones, at least, was in someone's posession when the paper map was drawn, and not buried in the sand at Florence Junction. But if the Heart Stone symbol was copied from the paper map, then the Heart Stone (at least the one we all know of today) had to have been made after 1892.

    Either way, it's either a million-to-one coincidence, or something ain't right!


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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    And speaking of the "Needle" symbol, why is it put so far North, just below the Salt River, on the Heart Stone?

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    On the original (or so it says) Julia Thomas map, Weaver's Needle is represented far to the North also. Note that North is at the bottom of Julia's original map, as shown below.

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    Julia has it labeled "Weavers Needle," and the "Unnamed" copy only says "Needle." But you can tell from the position of both needles, relative to the other landmarks on these two maps, that they are intended to represent the same needle.

    With the symbol on the Heart Stone, appearing to be the same landmark as the one labeled "Weaver's Needle" on the Julia maps, and with all three showing it much further North, proportionally, than it should be, is that indicative that these three maps are somehow related?

    Why else would these maps have these similarities?

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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    EE Thr - I do remember your earlier post about the similarities in the "needle" depiction on the map and the stones. I tucked that thought in the back of my mind and haven't really tried to process it in any way other than to remember it.

    Personally I don't think it's just a coincidence - it's too unique of a shape to be just a chance occurance.

    What does it mean? I haven't a clue.
    "There is no getting away from a treasure that once fastens upon your mind" - Joseph Conrad (Nostromo)

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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Both the symbol on the heart insert and the "unknown source" map portray a very sharp needle-like peak.
    The depiction,labelled "Weavers Needle" on Julia's map is rounded at the peak.
    Assuming that Weavers was named as a "needle",rather than simply "mountain",it seems likely for "Weavers Needle" to have been a bit more pointy in the past.However,since the loss of such a sharply pointed and prominent summit is not mentioned in accounts of the Bavispe earthquake of 1887,or in any other documented accounts past or prior to that date that I am aware of,it could be that the pointed symbols refer to another peak.Some think Miners Needle a likely candidate.

    Regards:SH.
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Somehiker---

    Maybe, but Miners Needle is even further South (?)
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    And much closer to Queen Creek as well as many ruins,etc.
    Hell,you ain't never too old to look!

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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Quote Originally Posted by somehiker
    And much closer to Queen Creek as well as many ruins,etc.

    Do you think that Queen Creek might be what is at the top of the Stone Maps, rather than the Salt River?
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Is it not possible that the pyramid shaped image on the stones was actually a pyramid structure that had its top blown off,lets say sometimes in the late 1700"s,to cover up that fact , and now may be under the Salt river,or even partially exposed,but as a flatter mounument. It makes sense that it would be near the water for many reasons,my opinon. A famous Jesuit priest was from Germany, and German fuse dated to the 1700:s was found I believe in the 20"s that dated to 1700 whatever. A pyramid is a very disctinct looking object, not a teepee,and not a needle.
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Just checking in to see what is going on!
    As you were...lol
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Speaking of various shapes on the Stone Maps, categorizing the markings might be interesting, especially since the "needle" previously mentioned seems to be only one of three actual drawings of objects on the "Trail Map" Stones. The other two being the dagger and the headstone-looking thingie.

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    The following seems to be categories of markings on the Trail Maps---

    1. Drawings of objects or landmarks (as mentioned above).
    2. Topo overlay markings (squiggly lines and trail).
    3. Numbers and letters (possible code?).
    4. Directional indicators (arrows).
    5. Symbols (the trail dots, circles within circles, equal sign, hyphen or minus sign, the big bent "F," the cross and it's parenthesis-thingies above the headstone, the "Xs" if you consider they are not letters, the omega sign, and triangles of which one appears to be an arrowhead and the other has the diminishing-depth line coming out of a hole within it---which is another interesting pattern anomaly).
    6. The holes, of various sizes and depths.

    Of the first three objects depicted, the "needle" stands out as the only geological landmark which is an actual drawing of an object, rather than a topo overlay.

    This uniqueness of the representation of the needle makes it stand out, as it doesn't fit with the pattern of any of the other markings.

    The dagger and tombstone not being geological, but more symbolic depictions. The dagger seems to be strictly symbolic, while the grave marker appears to be symbolic by being merely a typical form of what it represents.

    But the "needle" is a geological formation, yet it breaks the pattern of all the other geological representations, which are in a different form---that of topo map overlays.

    Is there some reason that the designer of the Stone Maps would want to bring special attention to this "needle," by making it violate the other patterns of marking the Trail Maps?

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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Quote Originally Posted by EE THr
    Quote Originally Posted by somehiker
    And much closer to Queen Creek as well as many ruins,etc.

    Do you think that Queen Creek might be what is at the top of the Stone Maps, rather than the Salt River?
    While I believe QC is shown on the maps,but not at the top.I do not believe that the Salt River is shown on any of the maps.
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    Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

    Somehiker---

    What do you figure the wavey line at the top, with the "R" under it on the right, to be?
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