Aug 14, 2012, 10:02 PM
The Bark Notes
I am new to the site actually just found it. I have read off and on books about the Dutchman mine since my dad first told me the legend of Waltz when I was a boy. Actually first book I read was Sterling legend anyways let me get to the point. I just recently took up the interest again since moving out towards the Superstitions and plan on heading in there for a peak around eventually. Now I remember hearing about James Bark Notes back when I was young but I could never seem to find the book in any public library growing up and now I am curious again to get my hands on it but don't know where I could purchase this book. Can anyone help me with this?
Aug 14, 2012 10:02 PM
Aug 15, 2012, 12:15 AM
Not sure there is a place where you can purchase the Bark Notes. I have heard one version can be found at the Historical Library in Phoenix.
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Aug 15, 2012, 01:11 AM
You can read a copy of one version at the library on 7th street and McDowell. They are located in the "Arizona Room" and they require you to wear white gloves when reading them.(which they provide)
Aug 15, 2012, 11:37 AM
All of the versions of the Bark Notes are, basically, the same. They only differ in structure,
such as, spelling, format and grammar.
The seventh version, is said to be the actual hand written notes of James Bark. It's been
rumored that Dr. Thomas Glover has seen that seventh version, but he has personally
denied that to me.
It seems unlikely that anyone has seen those notes, or I would suspect that another book
would have been written.....leaving out key clues.
My own copy was a gift from Steve Creager, who is now deceased.
Aug 15, 2012, 11:40 AM
Aug 15, 2012, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Dirty Dutchman
Anytime someone responds to a post, it is usually a "One upper". You, of course, never do that.
Newbies are often looking for additional information that can't be found in books, just as you once did.
Last edited by cactusjumper; Aug 15, 2012 at 01:21 PM.
Aug 15, 2012, 03:28 PM
LOL, take it easy Joe... It was just a joke referencing a Saturday night live skit! Nothing personal was meant big guy!
Originally Posted by cactusjumper
Aug 17, 2012, 09:44 AM
Regarding the Bark Notes, he mentions finding a stone lined well constructed somewhere in the bottom of La Barge Canyon along the east base. William Edwards also mentions this well in his explorations following the trail of bones and other traces of the Peralta massacre. Is this location known? Or has it been covered over by floods or destroyed by those who might want its existence to be unknown?
Also, in a somewhat related question, have there been any archaeological surveys more recent that the 30's or 40's and if not, has there ever been any indications that the government might allow further archaeological surveys of core areas of the Supers? I know almost all of the surface artifacts must be long gone but with a few well placed exploratory trenches some very interesting confirmations might be made.
Colorado Mine Hunter
Aug 17, 2012, 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by Colorado Mine Hunter
Hope all is well. My good friend, Dave, and his wife are spending the summer in Colorado,
within site of my old house. Fire just about ruined that section of Colorado a few years
Have you ever seen any historical documentation for William Edwards? If you have, would
you mind sharing?
Aug 17, 2012, 06:34 PM
The fires were pretty bad this year; the worst in the State's history. Nothing close to me, though some acquaintances had some worries for a while. Many people did lose their homes and all possessions near Colorado Springs and up near Fort Collins.
I have no documentation on William Edwards other than what I read in Cobin's "Bible" account of his finding, along with a trooper named Joe Green, of bones of Mexican miners and his subsequent search for where they got the ore that he found with those remains. Helen Corbin wrote that this info 'came from his diary' and was handed down to his son Benjamin and subsequently to a relative named Mathew Roberts. Has this account been proved false or has it had a shadow of doubt laid over it? Do you know if Helen still alive? Can she comment on the background of her sources for this account?
Thanks for all your input Joe,
Aug 19, 2012, 04:35 PM
How Helen's book came to be written is a very interesting story. The source for most of the material in "The Bible...." came from one man, Mathew Kraig Roberts. That information and the story of how it came to Helen, has been told to me, more than once, by Bob Corbin.
Recently Bob has seen evidence about Roberts, that convinced him that the book should be removed from as many stores as he had the right to remove them from. The whole thing has been written about many times. Here is one thread that contains some information:
DesertUSA.com/mb3 • View topic - Lust for Gold/Movie
I have a lot of respect for the Corbin's. Helen was a fine author, but she and Bob, along with many others, were bamboozled by a trusted friend(?)/source. I would use great caution using "The Bible..." as a source.
Helen passed away in 2008.
Last edited by cactusjumper; Aug 19, 2012 at 04:38 PM.
Aug 19, 2012, 10:21 PM
Thanks for your input. I will check out the link and am sorry to hear that the source material for some of Helen's book is probably in doubt. Also sorry to hear of the loss of Helen herself. We all seem to pass along just when we have finally reached our zenith of knowledge and understanding. What a waste.
It is discouraging to greenhorns such as myself that every lead seems to turn to dust or be shadowed with grave doubt just when you think you have been able to put good evidence together. Ah well, no persistent seeker was ever rewarded by giving up the quest. I find this mystery fascinating and sure hope that someday someone solves the puzzle. I'm hoping that the truth does come out sometime.
At any rate, I truly appreciate your input. Your insights and opinions are very respected by me. Hope we get to meet someday.
Aug 19, 2012, 11:13 PM
Many thanks for the, too kind, words. I look forward to meeting you as well. The Rendezvous??
It's a sad commentary on some people's egos and lives, that they feel the need to fabricate another life, and false history for the LDM. It makes for very bad karma, especially if you build a big part of your reputation around a false Apache personal history.
Don't let the crap discourage you. I have been accused of trying to turn people away from Dutch Hunting. What I have tried to do, instead, is inject some reality and truth into the legends and history.
I believe in the LDM. As long as you believe, and remain healthy enough, you should all continue your search.
Oct 11, 2012, 03:05 PM
From what Dr. Glover has told me, he has original notes and letters from the Sims Ely family's collection.
Anyone who has questions or doubts about Sims' book or the Bark notes can ask about them at the Rendezvous.
I believe this is as close as anyone can truthfully get to being there when Jacob Waltz died. If there was an
actual seventh version of the Bark Notes, we may all be able to find out what was in that version.
For those who may not know, the seventh version was said to be Bark's actual hand written notes. I have my doubts about such a version, so I will be asking Dr. Glover (again) about the possibility that they exist.
See you at the Rendezvous.
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