LDM why you cant get it ! MAP #33

[JackH]

LDM why you can't get it ! MAP #33

1) PICACHO peak of Red Mountain

2) 1-3-2 three (3) Red Hills

3) CASA CAVERNA today hidden under the face of Red Mountain beside the arroyo.

4) ARROYO CAVERNA self explained.

5) MINA & TONEL out cropping and second area mentioned by Waltz nearby.

6) NEGRA the range looking down the arroyo S/E at a time of the day (satellite image).
Looking at the first satellite image, 4 Peaks direction comes into question. But Usery Mountain
area at a time of the year casts an unusual shadowing that I cannot repeat today.

7) CERROS COLORADO the range beyond NEGRA (satellite image).

8) RIO SALADO the relationship of Red Mountain & the Salt River approaching from the S/W.
The (satellite image) shows Red Mountain & the Salt River in a similar likeness to MAP #33.
I believe the author of this MAP drew the Salt River to duplicate the river bed exactly as we see
it today next to Red Mountain. This is the only place following the Salt that this exists.

additionally:
9) AGUA-CAMINO the Ancient channel (?).

10) RIO COLORADO the Verde River in relation to Red Mountain and 90 deg. angle coming to the Salt.

11) MINAS (between (3) & (5) could explain the pockets of the Bird outcropping ?

There are a few places along the ridge face right of the arroyo that might explain more of this MAP.

 

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[JackH]

It has come to my attention that there are at least 2 hand writings
on MAP #33. I think we can all agree that with more than one
person's thoughts, that can give chance for more errors.

I have come back to make a more direct Point of Rio Salado and
the intention of the MAP maker. I have come to make two points
here, but always leading back to Red Mountain.

1) The wide swath of the Salt's river bed has most likely changed
it's course a few times within the last 2 millenniums (2000 yrs.)
nearest Red Mountain. And the intention of the MAP makers to
render the Salt as they have in #33. The only place along the Salt
that reflects this.

Additionally, CAMPO MAYOR above (8) shows small squares within
a box, within a larger outline. Could the outline be a natural boundry ?
If it does, this closeup shows a 10 ft. square on the proper side of the
Salt.

2) It is possible that "Rio Salado" drawn here could actually be the
"Verde River" which has the same swath of a natural river bed and
is Still in close relationship to Red Mountain.

One additional Point, the author's of the MAP, I believe would have
written "RIO SALADO" within the upper and lower boundaries of the
drawn river, not outside. Again for this reason, I believe the MAP
illustrates the wide swath of the ancient river bed.

 

[markmar]

Hi JackH
I want to tell you about the maps . In the most cases the curved lines not means a river course or a canyon . The words on the maps tell us only the location ( of a river or canyon ) at the specific place . That means how the river or the canyon have a course ( mostly vertically to the curved line ) only near the words . In the most cases the curved lines are land outlines .
And now , I want to tell you how " CASA CAVERNA " seen from afar ( about 0,5 mile ) . Is not a common cave . Is a carved picture on the mountain , and looks like a large horseshoe shaped outcropping of sandstone ( something reminds you ...maybe a " Painted Rock " ) which have in the " mouth " two rock cabins .
Have a nice day

Marius

 

[peralta]

Hello my friends, the pointer does show a mine but look closely, there is a tiny y -tunnel.bottom picture has a heart, search it.what map did you use showing the the house/cavern?

 

[JackH]

Hello my friends, the pointer does show a mine but look closely, there is a tiny y -tunnel.bottom picture has a heart, search it.what map did you use showing the the house/cavern?

Hello Peralta.

The Map #33 is used in the first post of this Thread.

Which post ? of what you mention "there is a tiny y -tunnel.bottom picture has a heart,"

Jack

 

[peralta]

Hello jackh how do you attach photos from my droid?

 

[markmar]

peralta

The heart in the map #33 , covers all the region of Mesa Negra . From what point you suggest me to start the search ?

Marius

 

[somehiker]

Hi JackH
I want to tell you about the maps . In the most cases the curved lines not means a river course or a canyon . The words on the maps tell us only the location ( of a river or canyon ) at the specific place . That means how the river or the canyon have a course ( mostly vertically to the curved line ) only near the words . In the most cases the curved lines are land outlines .
And now , I want to tell you how " CASA CAVERNA " seen from afar ( about 0,5 mile ) . Is not a common cave . Is a carved picture on the mountain , and looks like a large horseshoe shaped outcropping of sandstone ( something reminds you ...maybe a " Painted Rock " ) which have in the " mouth " two rock cabins .
Have a nice day

Marius

Marius:

And why do you think they drew the little symbol for the Casa Caverna the way they did ?

View attachment 100_1107Casa Caverna.bmp

I think because that is what they could see, when they looked at the cave.

Regards:SH.

PS: Coupla other things in the photo as well.
Look for the word to the right of the opening, which you can also find beside the dot on the Horse Map.
Maybe that's him down below ?

 

[peralta]

Hello my friend put the picturr on itube ,look to the right youll see an extremely large head of mary looking at your loop.she even has a cloth draped over her htad.the biggest marking I found was about 75feet.none of this is a joke jack.
Take care
Tom

 

[peralta]

Now maybe people will believe I find areas that have faces .now that stone wall ,look at bottom you have a horseshoe pointing down with a square in the dirt tellin you to fig there. Your loop line has a mine symbol attached.make sure ita not a patt of the plant you would have to check what mary is lookung at.

 

[peralta]

I found it its a mine symbol ,the circle on the stone.
Good luck
Tom

 

[somehiker]

Tom:

I've recieved a few e-mails about things which others see in the photo, including the face at the right.
But you are the only one who believes it's a depiction of "mary".
The word "RIO", where the "O" is part of the "caverna" symbol.
Or...the large letter "M" at the same location.
And a lighter coloured cross to the left of the cavern.
The photo is interesting, but the location is even more so, for my understanding of and belief in the Stone Maps.

Regards:SH.

 

[markmar]

somehiker

The clue say " a rock cabin in the cave's mouth " and no " a hole in the cave's mouth " .
The picture is interesting . If you believe how the location is connected with the Stone Maps , search around and you may be lucky .

Marius

 

[somehiker]

Marius:
To "search around" would be a good idea, I guess. But with so little time it's a difficult proposition, considering how rough the terrain is out there.
It's been worth the effort to do so though, and many of my photos have shown what else is nearby. Insofar as the "rock cabin" clue is concerned,
it's not supposed to have a roof. But it should have a doorway, one would think. Perhaps if you were to enlarge the photo somewhat, you might be able to make out something like that in the cave.

Regards:SH.

 

[markmar]

somehiker

In your picture , the rock cabin is on the wall of the cave and not match with the symbol in the map .
In the map the symbol show how the rock cabin is in the middle under the horseshoe .
Maybe the same thinking and the monk in your picture .



Marius

 

[somehiker]

Marius:

It seems obvious that you are looking for something far different than what can be seen in the photo.

View attachment comparison.bmp

If so, perhaps you can post a photo of what it might be.
This photo BTW, is straight from my camera, and aside from being cropped, unaltered in any other way.
It was taken two years ago, from a higher elevation on the opposite side of the canyon, which was necessary to obtain this view.
A monk ? Well, he's definitely not the Priest from the Priest Stone.
Furthermore, he doesn't appear on any of the maps or documents which have been published so far.
So far as I know.


Regards:SH.

 

[JackH]

Marius:

It seems obvious that you are looking for something far different than what can be seen in the photo.

View attachment 748575

If so, perhaps you can post a photo of what it might be.
This photo BTW, is straight from my camera, and aside from being cropped, unaltered in any other way.
It was taken two years ago, from a higher elevation on the opposite side of the canyon, which was necessary to obtain this view.
A monk ? Well, he's definitely not the Priest from the Priest Stone.
Furthermore, he doesn't appear on any of the maps or documents which have been published so far.
So far as I know.


Regards:SH.

Somehiker,

That is a Great Find. To be following some one's foot prints a couple of Centuries
after those you are looking for, is a magical moment.

Unfortunately for me, all I would have picked up on is the the "Lion" from the Wizard
of Oz in the left side of this photo.......Jack

 

[hooch]

I saw a Boob.

 

[markmar]

somehiker

Maybe the place in your picture , is the right place . Enough to match the other clues in the map with this . If have in a short distance to east a creek and a short distance to north-west a mine and a tunel , is the right place .

Marius

 

[somehiker]

"Unfortunately for me, all I would have picked up on is the the "Lion" from the Wizard
of Oz in the left side of this photo.......Jack "

Ha ....now that you mention it....I can see what you're talking about.
I climbed right up that rock on the way out of there...probably used the nose for a footrest.