Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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My grick friend, actualy it makes no practcal difference just the same sides of the mts are exposed to the setting sun which is the clue we are after.,
Genntlemen. you talk of google earth etc but I see that you are missing the finest tool of all.. I am speaking of aerial photographs. They are not only capable of far finer detail, but also give a true stereo picture. You can get them from the gov't for the entire US, not just the Superstitions With a small stereo viewer you can actualy see things in 3-d
Home in with google earth then when you have a point of interest, go aerial/sat picture/ They are rather inexpensive.
I used them extensively in my search for Tayopa.
Has anyone actually seen a copy of Carte levee par la Sociente des Jesuites dediee on Roi d'Espagne en 1757?
gollum,Hal, Bill, and Senor Guacamole,
The map Hal is referring to is better known as the "Venegas Map of 1757". It was drawn by Father Mauel Venegas SJ for the King of Spain. Here is a good sized image:
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(keep clicking, as it gets HUGE)
For Senor Guacamole,
Check out this screenshot from The Ortelius Map of America from 1572:
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You may notice a couple of interesting things on it;
1. In the upper left area colored yellow, you will see an interesting name: "Astatlan" (kind of similar to Aztlan, huh?). THIS Astatlan lies somewhere in Northwest Mexico or far Southwest US, but it appears to be Southeast of the Colorado River.
2. Just below the "N" in "HISPANIA" (also in yellow area) is a name you might recognize; "TOPIRA"
3. And on the big map below, you can see that Quivira is West of the Colorado River!
Here is the complete map:
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Mike
Just below the "N" in "HISPANIA" (also in yellow area) is a name you might recognize; "TOPIRA"
Mike, you're shining like a diamond! Nice posts, great info, thanks.
I wrote it as I read it. The report is available online.gollum
I suspect more then your understanding Cajun, but you are not bad at all ...
in the line that Hal ask was ,
"Carte levee par la Sociente des Jesuites dediée on Roi d'Espagne en 1757",
actually there is 3 languages in there, i was thinking that maybe Hal made some mistake in the translation, but this is all ok,
there is first, french, then spanish and English, and then french
the word levée, is use by cartographe for taking traking on the ground, and many more defenitions,
Carte levée par la,.... is french.
sociente, is spanish, in french, la compagnie,
des jésuites, de jésus,
adressé, ( on ), is English,
roi d'Espagne is french,...
i do not know where Hal take this phrase, but the man that wrote it was understanding the 3 languages of americas,
frenchy
SDC, the seven ciudades de Cibola lies in the Conoaqui valley of Sinaloa. It is a national park now.