Stone foundation some state was Mission

[sgtfda]

Visited the site today. I don't know what it was but it was a nice size. Had some cut stone work.

 

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[txtea]

Interesting!
Be a good spot to fly Ryan's drone....maybe from above you can make out the outline of the building...whatever it was. Nice job.

 

[sgtfda]

We did. It will be in the next video

 

[txtea]

Is this the same site someone claimed was a church right off Peralta road?

 

[sgtfda]

That's it.

 

[Azquester]

You mean the same site some people have been arguing was not a mission!

I've been to that site not much left today. It was on someone's claim....Rick Gwinn I believe and a group of Thunters including Emory Taylor. That's where they claim the holy purple quartz was found. Same spot as the old Reavis Ranch. I could be off on this info going off old memories from way back.

Is this the same site someone claimed was a church right off Peralta road?

 

[roadrunner]

Reavis ranch is above iron mountain.
Barks ranch is around Peralta road.

 

[Azquester]

Barks Ranch it is.

Reavis ranch is above iron mountain.
Barks ranch is around Peralta road.

 

[Hal Croves]

Visited the site today. I don't know what it was but it was a nice size. Had some cut stone work. View attachment 1223426 View attachment 1223427 View attachment 1223428

Trying to compare the 64' photo to the more recent one and something is not quite correct. It is close but not the same location. Look at the ridge in the foreground and then on the horizon. Very cool photo but very strange if that's the same exact spot.

 

[Hal Croves]

The Pious Fund

"The missions founded by the Pious Fund were named after saints, martyrs, and notable Christian characters, rather than the living donors.

Padre Salvatierra and Padre Kino were very good business men. They accumulated a vast sum of money for investment in this Pious Fund to establish missions. They made good investments and were able to collect an average of five percent interest throughout the long period during which the fund was used. Practically all of the lower Jesuit missions in Lower California, Sonora, and Arizona were established out of this trust fund. The fund was honestly and efficiently administered by the Jesuits up to the time of their expulsion in 1767, after which it was also efficiently administered by the Franciscans who succeeded the Jesuits. This sizable Pious Fund had a history. It was still intact in 1822 when Mexico gained her independence. The dictator Santa Ana borrowed a portion of it with evident design."

AZR 1933

Might be worth finding the correct location.

 

[cactusjumper]

The Pious Fund

"The missions founded by the Pious Fund were named after saints, martyrs, and notable Christian characters, rather than the living donors.

Padre Salvatierra and Padre Kino were very good business men. They accumulated a vast sum of money for investment in this Pious Fund to establish missions. They made good investments and were able to collect an average of five percent interest throughout the long period during which the fund was used. Practically all of the lower Jesuit missions in Lower California, Sonora, and Arizona were established out of this trust fund. The fund was honestly and efficiently administered by the Jesuits up to the time of their expulsion in 1767, after which it was also efficiently administered by the Franciscans who succeeded the Jesuits. This sizable Pious Fund had a history. It was still intact in 1822 when Mexico gained her independence. The dictator Santa Ana borrowed a portion of it with evident design."

AZR 1933

Might be worth finding the correct location.

Hal,

I'm not at home right now, but I believe it was the King of Spain who took over the administration of the Pious Fund when he expelled the Jesuits. The practical running of the fund in Mexico was given to the Franciscans and the Dominicans. I could, of course, be wrong.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal,

I'm not at home right now, but I believe it was the King of Spain who took over the administration of the Pious Fund when he expelled the Jesuits. The practical running of the fund in Mexico was given to the Franciscans and the Dominicans. I could, of course, be wrong.

Good luck,

Joe

Its one source and you could easily be correct.
Still, if a mission is ever found in or around the Superstitions its omission from the known maps will have to be explained.

Seems logical that it would have been built with money from this Pious Fund.
More of a mystery if it wasn't.

 

[cactusjumper]

Its one source and you could easily be correct.
Still, if a mission is ever found in or around the Superstitions its omission from the known maps will have to be explained.

Seems logical that it would have been built with money from this Pious Fund.
More of a mystery if it wasn't.

Hal,

It's all speculation, backed by a rumor of an unsubstantiated story. There was never enough population nor water to justify a mission at that location. Of course, it has been authenticated by NPs picture of the ruins.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Hal Croves]

Most of what we write about here is speculative.

Which is why clarity is greatly appreciated.
Its obvious that Frank is not standing at the same site.

 

[Weaversneedle]

Most of what we write about here is speculative.

Which is why clarity is greatly appreciated.
Its obvious that Frank is not standing at the same site.

Frank is at the correct site, just a different camera angle

 

[Hal Croves]

Frank is at the correct site, just a different camera angle

Oh!
A different camera angle.
It looked like he was trying to recreate the camera position.

 

[sgtfda]

Oh!
A different camera angle.
It looked like he was trying to recreate the camera position.

The camera was facing west not north like the old photo. I was at the correct site Tom K escorted me to the location

 

[EarnieP]

The camera was facing west not north like the old photo. I was at the correct site Tom K escorted me to the location

Hey Sarge, did you beep up anything with some interesting age on it?

 

[sgtfda]

Hey Sarge, did you beep up anything with some interesting age on it?

Just a few Jesuit long john buttons. Some one hit that spot with a backhoe. They dug about 6 foot below floor level.

 

[Hal Croves]

The camera was facing west not north like the old photo. I was at the correct site Tom K escorted me to the location

Frank,
Next time you are with Tom ask him to tell you what Burbridge found in the Four Peaks Area north of the Salt. Then show him that photograph again and ask him to tell you where it was taken.

You were not at the site in the Burbridge photograph Frank.
Period.

edit:
But you were at the site on Peralta Road and that's where you want to be.
See, far less destruction to the site since 64' than I initially believed based on your photographs. That's a positive thing.
Now we have a different narrative because its actually two different locations.

Anyway, if I am wrong I know that you will correct me.