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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    what makes what ok?....i guess it was ok for your country to enslave us and tax us to death?..no wonder we ran you guys out of here...lol
    Whoops!

    You seem to be taking this thread personally.

    That's for you to deal with.

    Please feel free to add something of worth and more in keeping the conversation on an adult level, when you've calmed down a bit.

    Good luck with it.


    IPUK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interested Party in UK View Post
    Whoops!

    You seem to be taking this thread personally.

    That's for you to deal with.

    Please feel free to add something of worth and more in keeping the conversation on an adult level, when you've calmed down a bit.

    Good luck with it.


    IPUK
    i'm calm...i merely pointed out that your govt. did the same thing to us that you claim our govt did to the apache's...the only difference is our govt. won and ran your govt. out...just stating the fact's..that's all..the apache's aren't exactly living in squaller ...they ended up with a huge chunk of some of the prettiest land in arizona...free housing and vehicles...and casino's that everyone on the reservation get a cut of...i have a few apache friends and they dont whine ..they seem to be pretty happy

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    IPUK, Az, agreed my friends. Back to the rogue Apache life where the men just lay around and made the wormen do all:: of of the work. After all, they were honorable dry gulchers and baby torturers. and didn't have time for such mundane things. --- Yankee tea.
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    Today the same applies with the Taliban IPUK Armies are structured against Armies The German army wasn't too successful aganst the underground

    Want some calming ?:tea ::tea2: I'll join you. I used that instead of Coffee on my exploration trips, lighter and while you are required to share on the trail protocol, most didn't like tea, so my supplies lasted fr longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real of Tayopa View Post
    Today the same applies with the Taliban IPUK Armies are structured against Armies The German army wasn't too successful aganst the underground

    Want some calming ?:tea ::tea2: I'll join you. I used that instead of Coffee on my exploration trips, lighter and while you are required to share on the trail protocol, most didn't like tea, so my supplies lasted fr longer.
    real....i wish you could make it to the rendezvous this weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    i'm calm...i merely pointed out that your govt. did the same thing to us that you claim our govt did to the apache's...the only difference is our govt. won and ran your govt. out...just stating the fact's..that's all..the apache's aren't exactly living in squaller ...they ended up with a huge chunk of some of the prettiest land in arizona...free housing and vehicles...and casino's that everyone on the reservation get a cut of...i have a few apache friends and they dont whine ..they seem to be pretty happy
    You really are conflating things in your mind regarding what I did and didn't write.

    But that aside, Ifyou want to talk about "facts", let us start with some politics, I am no expert in any sense of the word when it comes to what Great Britain did when the US was one of its colonies. Sure the British were driven out, and rightly so; imperialism is wrong in all its forms. But please do not labour under the assumption that the US government has always had its own way in the world. History tends to disagree with this jingoistic nonsense...

    As for present-day Apaches, why oh why would it come into the equation as to what they do or do not have...?

    I was under the impression that I started this thread to discuss the historical aspect of the Apache and how it shaped and defined the Southwest and northern Mexico. I have no axe to grind.

    You seem to get very defensive very quickly and take offence where none was intended.

    And if you ever take the time to travel, and I do not mean within Arizona, perhaps you will see that as well as doing many good things across the globe, your government who you seem very fond of, is viewed with suspicion by many across the globe due to its inability to understand the viewpoint of others. Honestly. I travel and have travelled a fair bit across the world.

    Hope you don't vote someone like Trump into the White House...


    IPUK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real of Tayopa View Post
    IPUK, Az, agreed my friends. Back to the rogue Apache life where the men just lay around and made the wormen do all:: of of the work. After all, they were honorable dry gulchers and baby torturers. and didn't have time for such mundane things. --- Yankee tea.
    The 'lazy' Apache loved their families as much as anyone.

    You know the reason why Geronimo hated the Mexicans with a vengeance?
    He still recalled how they killed his first wife, children and mother...Even in his old age, he would tell visitors: "I am too old to go on the warpath again, but if I could, all roads would lead to old Mexico..."

    The Yaqui never did like the Chiricahua Apache after getting their arses whipped...in between getting done by the Mexicans.

    Sad but true.

    IPUK

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    hi IPUK, there were hidden by the Jesuits, not the apache, Incidentally I haven't made a schilling yet. Many complications. all out. This has turned into a sort of White Elephant. My only compensation so far is that I found Tayopa, after the best failed in over 400 years, however that doesn't buy much food. still I am basically satisfied, I have done my primary part for history.

    Incidentally It was the Guayajiro indians not the Apache, that forced te Jesuits to close and hide their mines, despite written history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real of Tayopa View Post
    Today the same applies with the Taliban IPUK Armies are structured against Armies The German army wasn't too successful aganst the underground

    Want some calming ?:tea ::tea2: I'll join you. I used that instead of Coffee on my exploration trips, lighter and while you are required to share on the trail protocol, most didn't like tea, so my supplies lasted fr longer.
    Don,

    I do not understand this fixation with the Taliban and somehow equating it to the Apache of yesteryear. The environment, structure, circumstances and reasoning do not equate in any way, shape or form - other than in your mind.

    But each to their own.

    Also, I do not recognise how you would tend to try and suggest the Apache would fight in an "army against army" mode given their numbers, but anyway, armies nearly always had guerrilla tactics and special ops teams where necessary.

    Given that you have always maintained that you've found the fabled Tayopa of legend that the Apache were responsible for shutting down, those pesky and irksome so-and-so's, you would get no better opportunity to show them up for what you believed them to be, if you finally uncovered the amazing cache of treasures that lie within your grasp - you'd really have the last laugh...


    IPUK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real of Tayopa View Post
    hi IPUK, there were hidden by the Jesuits, not the apache, Incidentally I haven't made a schilling yet. Many complications. all out. This has turned into a sort of White Elephant. My only compensation so far is that I found Tayopa, after the best failed in over 400 years, however that doesn't buy much food. still I am basically satisfied, I have done my primary part for history.

    Incidentally It was the Guayajiro indians not the Apache, that forced te Jesuits to close and hide their mines, despite written history.
    I know it was the Jesuits, but I am pretty sure most have agreed it was the Apache who forced its closure. But that is all immaterial unless you open the place up. I'm afraid history will not really recognise it as being Tayopa unless you bring something more to the table.

    If you really believe it to be the Tayopa, then how would you let such a vast treasure, allegedly there, just gather more dust. That would be the clincher in uncovering it.


    IPUK

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    Ipuk The 'lazy' Apache loved their families as much as anyone. Of course they did, but that doesn't excuse their work division.

    B) And why did they kill the Apache ?? almost 200 yeass of raiding, killing, and torturing by the Apache and the Mexicans said "enough". The resul was of the Apache' own doing.

    C) Who - n -ell told you the Apache ever whipped the Yaqui.?? I lived with them for over 5 years and was partially responsible for them regaining part of their land and an irrigation system from gradual gov't enroachment, they had the same attitude - still do towards their women, very lazy until recently. Incidentally the Yaqui had developed a very effective poison for their hardwood tipped cane arrows that frightened the Apache with good reason, since any arrow wound was fatal... that is nother story for the Apache / Yaqui war.relationship.

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    HOW? / a delicate balancing act and no money. Tayopa belongs to the patrimony of Mexico, hence no Mining, or treasure trove law protects it, sides no money available However I don't really believe that I want to open it up, I am devided in leaving it alone. I an now 93, and don't really need more money. My family will get their inheritance when I release the book


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    [QUOTE=Interested Party in UK;5162743]You really are conflating things in your mind regarding what I did and didn't write.

    But that aside, Ifyou want to talk about "facts", let us start with some politics, I am no expert in any sense of the word when it comes to what Great Britain did when the US was one of its colonies. Sure the British were driven out, and rightly so; imperialism is wrong in all its forms. But please do not labour under the assumption that the US government has always had its own way in the world. History tends to disagree with this jingoistic nonsense...

    As for present-day Apaches, why oh why would it come into the equation as to what they do or do not have...?

    I was under the impression that I started this thread to discuss the historical aspect of the Apache and how it shaped and defined the Southwest and northern Mexico. I have no axe to grind.

    You seem to get very defensive very quickly and take offence where none was intended.

    And if you ever take the time to travel, and I do not mean within Arizona, perhaps you will see that as well as doing many good things across the globe, your government who you seem very fond of, is viewed with suspicion by many across the globe due to its inability to understand the viewpoint of others. Honestly. I travel and have travelled a fair bit across the world.

    Hope you don't vote someone like Trump into the White House...

    ....you say everyone hates americans...if so why are people coming here in droves from practically every country on the planet...if you hate us so bad...stay home...trump...lol...alot of people hope trump doesn't get in the white house...most of them are gangsters and crooks and politicians
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    The alternative is Hillary, which is far worse. She and bill have beenlinvolved with larcenary, fraud, bullying, and even murder.
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    back to the Apache white washing

    If the Apache had stuck to simple robbing they prob would be still in the Sierras After all there are plenty of simple of bandididos in there, I had a couple of runins with them..
    Last edited by Real of Tayopa; Oct 21, 2016 at 07:20 PM.
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