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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Estee Conatser wrote in " The sterling legend " :

    " ... There is a cave in the Superstitions in which a king's ransom in gold was found in the 1940's. ... The only information concerning the cave that can be divulge is the fact that it is shaped like an hour-glass, with one chamber above the other... "

    I believe how who gave this info to Eestee , or didn't want to give a detailed description or didn't know exactly what the hourglass would represents .
    The truth is how the hourglass is a marking on the wall beside the treasure cave and somehow was used in the clues of the Latin stone heart map and Cursum Perficio map . You can see it in the picture below




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    Was he actually talking about the $26 mill found in 1948? $26 mill in 1948, 2 trenches, one 50 feet the other 70 feet in length both with 8 inch diameter leather bags filling the trenches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audigger53 View Post
    Was he actually talking about the $26 mill found in 1948? $26 mill in 1948, 2 trenches, one 50 feet the other 70 feet in length both with 8 inch diameter leather bags filling the trenches.
    The cave with the gold which E. Conatser wrote about , contains gold bars and not sadlebags filled with gold ore . I believe what was found in 1948 , was the sadlebags which were deposited there by the Apaches after they have massacred the Mexicans .
    Marius

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Estee Conatser wrote in " The sterling legend " :

    " ... There is a cave in the Superstitions in which a king's ransom in gold was found in the 1940's. ... The only information concerning the cave that can be divulge is the fact that it is shaped like an hour-glass, with one chamber above the other... "

    I believe how who gave this info to Eestee , or didn't want to give a detailed description or didn't know exactly what the hourglass would represents .
    The truth is how the hourglass is a marking on the wall beside the treasure cave and somehow was used in the clues of the Latin stone heart map and Cursum Perficio map . You can see it in the picture below




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    marius...can you supply us with a microscope so we can view your pic?..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    marius...can you supply us with a microscope so we can view your pic?..lol
    Dave , click on the image and it will enlarge .
    Marius

    If your true to your heart, you will never go wrong. The truth is the truth, no matter how you look at it, and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth. It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    In the page 88 of " The sterling legend " book , is written the Apache version of how the treasure of Santa Fe was performed .
    And the text is this

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    Marius

    If your true to your heart, you will never go wrong. The truth is the truth, no matter how you look at it, and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth. It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    As a extended note on the above article, my version of TH.Gods Gold,by B.Storm has a similiar if not the same story line about the prospecter finding a loose rope and climbing up and over into a sunken valley,and finding Spanish artifacts,like a early Spanish lock type pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    In the page 88 of " The sterling legend " book , is written the Apache version of how the treasure of Santa Fe was performed .
    And the text is this

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    It's a mishmash of several older tales. The "rape of an Indian girl" originated with the tale of the second and larger Peralta massacre, if I'm not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    The cave with the gold which E. Conatser wrote about , contains gold bars and not sadlebags filled with gold ore . I believe what was found in 1948 , was the sadlebags which were deposited there by the Apaches after they have massacred the Mexicans .
    Nope not saddlebags, 8 inch diameter leather bags with processed gold ore. Found at the massacure grounds. Most likely buried by the miners (Peraltas) before they were over run. The top of the bags were only one inch from the top of the ground, as per the newspaper article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deducer View Post
    It's a mishmash of several older tales. The "rape of an Indian girl" originated with the tale of the second and larger Peralta massacre, if I'm not wrong.
    Actually the story I heard was that the Peraltas stopped paying off the "local" tribe of Apaches as they had a big party (both times), so they weren't worried about 30 Apaches. What they didn't know was that as time went by while they were mining that tribe got 6 other tribes together to wipe them out.

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    The story of Santa Fe treasure has not any Peralta involved . And I wanted to show in the Estee text , how the treasure was accumulated and not what were the circumstances and the arguments around the Spaniards killing .
    I believe was not the raping the argument but how one ( maybe a girl ) or more Apache had approached the cave very close and was/were killed by a trap which was in the way to the cave .
    The Spaniards were masters in making traps and made some to protect the treasure . For this is the " stone trail " map , to avoid the traps . The Apache were not aware of the " trail " and to avoid the traps , they climbed down from above using a rope . Maybe some of those traps to be deactivated today due the time and elements , but even without traps , someone must to follow the " trail " to find the cave because is hidden from sight .
    The Peraltas went long after , but they didn't find the treasure . They were miners and not treasure hunters .
    Marius

    If your true to your heart, you will never go wrong. The truth is the truth, no matter how you look at it, and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth. It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    This is an image of the region close to the cave where the Spaniards had made the settlement . Now is a ruin but keeps its strategical role in the treasure defense . Look at its layout which was made in that manner to guide you there where they wanted to go.
    There are also two small hearts ( yellow circles ) opposite each other , which were made to lure , so somebody would believe have solved the riddle , but instead ...
    Of course the " trail " is off the settlement .

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    Marius

    If your true to your heart, you will never go wrong. The truth is the truth, no matter how you look at it, and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth. It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    The story of Santa Fe treasure has not any Peralta involved . And I wanted to show in the Estee text , how the treasure was accumulated and not what were the circumstances and the arguments around the Spaniards killing .
    I believe was not the raping the argument but how one ( maybe a girl ) or more Apache had approached the cave very close and was/were killed by a trap which was in the way to the cave .
    The Spaniards were masters in making traps and made some to protect the treasure . For this is the " stone trail " map , to avoid the traps . The Apache were not aware of the " trail " and to avoid the traps , they climbed down from above using a rope . Maybe some of those traps to be deactivated today due the time and elements , but even without traps , someone must to follow the " trail " to find the cave because is hidden from sight .
    The Peraltas went long after , but they didn't find the treasure . They were miners and not treasure hunters .
    Is it possible that this is also the cave where the guy fell into in the 50's and saw the man sized silver statue of a priest? When he was found still crawling because he had broken his leg, they got him to the hospital but he was too far gone to save.
    And of course couldn't tell them how to get back to it. A lot like the Jones story and the one I heard in Bisbee. The one in Bisbee was gold coins and he still had some in his pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audigger53 View Post
    Is it possible that this is also the cave where the guy fell into in the 50's and saw the man sized silver statue of a priest? When he was found still crawling because he had broken his leg, they got him to the hospital but he was too far gone to save.
    And of course couldn't tell them how to get back to it. A lot like the Jones story and the one I heard in Bisbee. The one in Bisbee was gold coins and he still had some in his pockets.
    That is a different cache/treasure which is not related to the stone maps . Is a church treasure dated 18th century .
    Marius

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    Also , in " The sterling legend " book at page #45 is a story about Geronimo describing the place of the cave of gold . In that story , Geronimo said how the cave is under the " nose " of a rocky Indian head .

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    And the next pic just vindicates Geronimo : the Cross under the " nose " of the rocky head .

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    Last edited by markmar; May 05, 2018 at 12:22 PM.
    Marius

    If your true to your heart, you will never go wrong. The truth is the truth, no matter how you look at it, and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth. It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by deducer View Post
    It's a mishmash of several older tales. The "rape of an Indian girl" originated with the tale of the second and larger Peralta massacre, if I'm not wrong.
    Well the way I heard it, the second/Last Peralta massacre was like the first. The 2 sons didn't know about paying off the Apache's and thought that their party was to big to worry about the Apaches that lived near there. As they were leaving and coming down the Salt River, as the Apaches, all the tribes again, were about to hit them and drive them up to the Massacre Grounds, they turned off and went up to the grounds by themselves. To recover the gold left from the last massacre. The Apaches followed them up and then hit them when they got there. The Rape story was just that a "Story", IMHO. The Apaches were after all the things that the miners had of value to them. Knives, guns ect. Just like the Plains Indians when they hit the wagon trains. Loot! Again IMO.
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