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    Talking about "Stories, the only one I put any faith in was Dobie's. Pieced 4 of the stories together one after another and ended up at Lukesville,AZ and looked across the border, before the trailers were put up on the Mexico side, and found the shadow gram of the Mission and the shadow gram of the upper chapel. Found out later that the upper chapel had been excavated in 1910 by a "Arch" from the U of A. Never touched the mission just the upper chapel basement, where the gold was smelted down into bars for shipping down to Mexico City. Oh Well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Also , in " The sterling legend " book at page #45 is a story about Geronimo describing the place of the cave of gold . In that story , Geronimo said how the cave is under the " nose " of a rocky Indian head .

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    And the next pic just vindicates Geronimo : the Cross under the " nose " of the rocky head .

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    If its in the Supers, and on the stone maps. It would be this place. Indian head in red, Rock marker in blue form the stone map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by audigger53 View Post
    Talking about "Stories, the only one I put any faith in was Dobie's. Pieced 4 of the stories together one after another and ended up at Lukesville,AZ and looked across the border, before the trailers were put up on the Mexico side, and found the shadow gram of the Mission and the shadow gram of the upper chapel. Found out later that the upper chapel had been excavated in 1910 by a "Arch" from the U of A. Never touched the mission just the upper chapel basement, where the gold was smelted down into bars for shipping down to Mexico City. Oh Well.
    The stone maps treasure has only one story , which is the same with the one I posted here from the book's text .
    The Jesuit treasure has many stories , which are the Walter Perrine's , Ed Piper's , Crandall's and some other rumors .
    These are two different treasures in two different places . None in the sight of the other .
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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    An aerial picture of the marked path into the rugged country , over the ridge and above the treasure cave , which connects the other mines region with the treasure's cave region . They used the same method in marking the path , with marked stones ( lugares ) , like in the stone trail from the stone map .

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    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Many if not all the people who are looking at the stone Trail map , are wondering what are the significance of those little holes ( dots ) and one bigger which are carved on the map . Some think are caves , others gold caches , etc .

    And here comes the clue : " Cave near headwaters. Needed rope to get in. (Geronimos great-grand daughter) "
    Yes, are seep springs , and the big one can be approached easily for drinking . Is the one in front of the corral . The other are on very steep places , with little debit of water . In fact the big hole is a small hollow place where the spring created a little pool .

    On the stone Trail map are carved the potable springs . There exist another spring which is very toxic , and is carved on the stone Latin map as ( Desiliens aqua aurum ) . Is the same spring which Ray Howland had named as Yellow Medicine Spring .
    With the help of the maps which I have posted in my first post in this thread , and of course if you will find where the stone maps region lies , you can recognize where the " bad " spring is located . The springs are very useful clues to understand how the stone maps are oriented .
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    Marius

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    B.storm relates a tale of a prospector in the 1920's who while following a trail in Garden Valley, finds a rope hanging down from a small cliff ,which he climbs up and over into a deeper valley,with a cave and some Spanish relics laying on the ground. Also states some old dynamite fuse was found close by which when analyzed dated to the 17th centuary.end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motel6.5 View Post
    B.storm relates a tale of a prospector in the 1920's who while following a trail in Garden Valley, finds a rope hanging down from a small cliff ,which he climbs up and over into a deeper valley,with a cave and some Spanish relics laying on the ground. Also states some old dynamite fuse was found close by which when analyzed dated to the 17th centuary.end.

    IMO , this story is about 70% true . The place is like he described but in another region . I can't speak about the relics and the dyamite , but if we consider how there were working Spaniards , then could existed .
    That cave is not the treasure cave , but a cave which is in the Waltz small valley , and is somehow the mouth of the " Sphinx " that had recognized John Reed in his childish eyes .
    You can see the " Sphinx " in this modified pic .

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  8. #38
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    Hey guys

    I see you are very " tightened " to comment anything about the stone maps here and in the other threads concerning the stone maps . Maybe new stories about how they have been made are confusing you and you don't know what to believe .
    I suggest to believe nothing and to wait all the story to make a full circle . Everything in our life and what is surrounding us , is making circles , and one day it will come to the starting point and the truth will be revealed .

    Relax and make your life good and serene . I will make your day with the Greek " Magic carpet " song . Its all about turning in circles


    Magiko Xali (Magic Carpet)

    The earth is turning, it always turns
    hot lava is pouring from its depths
    The earth is turning, it always turns
    the rain is falling and waters its soil

    The West and the East
    ai li li li li, ai li li li li,
    are weaving a carpet
    so you can dance on it
    ai li li li li, ai li li li li
    magic carpet

    The earth is turning, it always turns
    A melody fills up the air
    The earth is turning, it always turns
    An old man is putting together a melody


    (from the east to the west)
    Inna da Balkan they use it
    mix it up with jamaican music
    try it once don't you refuse it
    try it twice don't you confuse it
    in every way

    I give you one, one time
    I give you two, two times
    I give you three, three times
    I give you four, four times

    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by motel6.5 View Post
    B.storm relates a tale of a prospector in the 1920's who while following a trail in Garden Valley, finds a rope hanging down from a small cliff ,which he climbs up and over into a deeper valley,with a cave and some Spanish relics laying on the ground. Also states some old dynamite fuse was found close by which when analyzed dated to the 17th centuary.end.
    Dynamite fuse from the 1600's? How can that be? Dynamite was invented by Alfred Nobel in the 1860's and patented in 1867. I would label this tale fiction not fact.
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserves neither and shall lose both -Benjamin Franklin

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    gunpowder fuse ? like how Guy Fawkes used to do it (or tried to anyway)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano View Post
    gunpowder fuse ? like how Guy Fawkes used to do it (or tried to anyway)...
    Now you got me looking into the history of fuses, lol.

    It seems the green fireworks/ dynamite fuse is called "safety fuse" and was originally patented in England by William Bickford in 1831. Prior to that time fuses for lighting charges in the mines were made by filling a quill or thin piece of straw with gunpowder. So for this tale to be true, a piece of straw or feather would have to survive exposed to the elements for 300 years. You make the call...
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    You are right I don't have the read in front of me quoted from memory I would say some type of explosive fuse most likely survived by being buried.before found.

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    Note person explored area because of unusual looking mound .the read notes person thought something was being covered up. This also took place in garden valley area according to read












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    Markmar ..read states person found blunders and tools near cave or tunnel but did not know history of location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motel6.5 View Post
    Markmar ..read states person found blunders and tools near cave or tunnel but did not know history of location.
    What i believe about the history of that location .
    At that place long time ago , have worked a gold rich mine some Spaniards and after them some Mexicans . After the Mexicans , that mine was worked by Waltz , Wiser and John Reed's father .
    One day in 1882 , Apache covered that mine , but before they do this , they throwed inside all the tools and other mining stuff which were in the region and fiiled it with rocks and debris .
    In the year 1888 , John Reed and his father came to the mine and found it covered up so good , so if they did't know where that mine was exactly , they wouldn't found it . Then , they dug up again the mine and pulled out all that old tools and other mining stuff which were in the shaft . After they took some gold , covered up the mine again , but by now they didn't bother to throw inside all that mining stuff .
    Then , after many years came to the scene your guy , who found all those tools and all the other stuff .
    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





 

 
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