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    Gonzales' mina

    Hi everybody

    After decrypting some maps and tales , I came to the conclusion how the mine which is depicted in Gonzales map ( Charles Clark's version ) is the same with the Two Soldiers mine , Haywood mine , Salazar's survey mine , the black dot ( circle ) from the Cuenta del Oro map and John Carrol's mine from the Barry Storm publication .

    The Gonzales map is a coded map and what you see depicted on it , represents only 50% from what the author wanted from you to see compared to the real landmarks and orientation of the range .

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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    A GE image of Gonzalez mina as is marked in the field .

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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Hi everybody

    After decrypting some maps and tales , I came to the conclusion how the mine which is depicted in Gonzales map ( Charles Clark's version ) is the same with the Two Soldiers mine , Haywood mine , Salazar's survey mine , the black dot ( circle ) from the Cuenta del Oro map and John Carrol's mine from the Barry Storm publication .

    The Gonzales map is a coded map and what you see depicted on it , represents only 50% from what the author wanted from you to see compared to the real landmarks and orientation of the range .

    Click image for larger version. 

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    Hola Marius!

    I think that might be Tom Kollenborn's interpretation of Barry Storm's interpretation of what Roy Bradford said after Charles Clark met Ramon Peralta y Gonzales ( talk about a pedigree!!)in 1874...or I may be wrong about where the map you posted came from...(also there is a Gonzales map at the SMHS that is different and more detailed)...my question is, what is coded on the Barry Storm map? At any rate, I would agree that he left a lot out

    Take care, Jim
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    Hi Jim

    You wrote the magic word/name : Roy Bradford . According to Barry Storm publication , Roy Bradford was the last man who saw Gonzales alive in 1930 . Gonzales was coming in a last attempt to find the LDM site with new maps , but also carring and the older ( for a different purpose ) to find the LDM site . Short after that meeting , Roy moved his camp from upper La Barge box to the Deering trail on the SE end of Malapais Mt. Was that a simple mind changing ? I don't think so .
    Were all based in Gonzales maps . If you pay attention , the line which connects WN with Four Peaks from the map , pass above the Roy Bradford's camp in the Deering Canyon . Maybe he believed how the Canon Fresca would been the Squaw Canyon . But ... the map shows a different clue, so , this fact shows how Bradford " took " in some way ( by force IMO ) supplementary info about the map , but not all the truth , or he couldn't understand the descriptions given by Gonzales .

    In the first attempt in 1876 , Gonzales used the map I posted above , but then was not for the LDM , but for the mine I showed above . In the second attempt in 1930 , he would used the map from 1876 to find a specific place from where he could recognize the new map , which was the Perfil mapa . He also had a map for the " knob " mine , which is in sight from the LDM , but closer to the mine depicted in the map above . Now , you can understand why the LDM clues are a mix of clues from few different mines .
    Some times what people do , tells more than a story . I can tell you only how Canon Fresca is La Barge . Think why Roy Bradford went on that camp place in Malapais and maybe you will find the right canyon .
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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Hi Jim

    You wrote the magic word/name : Roy Bradford . According to Barry Storm publication , Roy Bradford was the last man who saw Gonzales alive in 1930 . Gonzales was coming in a last attempt to find the LDM site with new maps , but also carring and the older ( for a different purpose ) to find the LDM site . Short after that meeting , Roy moved his camp from upper La Barge box to the Deering trail on the SE end of Malapais Mt. Was that a simple mind changing ? I don't think so .
    Were all based in Gonzales maps . If you pay attention , the line which connects WN with Four Peaks from the map , pass above the Roy Bradford's camp in the Deering Canyon . Maybe he believed how the Canon Fresca would been the Squaw Canyon . But ... the map shows a different clue, so , this fact shows how Bradford " took " in some way ( by force IMO ) supplementary info about the map , but not all the truth , or he couldn't understand the descriptions given by Gonzales .

    In the first attempt in 1876 , Gonzales used the map I posted above , but then was not for the LDM , but for the mine I showed above . In the second attempt in 1930 , he would used the map from 1876 to find a specific place from where he could recognize the new map , which was the Perfil mapa . He also had a map for the " knob " mine , which is in sight from the LDM , but closer to the mine depicted in the map above . Now , you can understand why the LDM clues are a mix of clues from few different mines .
    Some times what people do , tells more than a story . I can tell you only how Canon Fresca is La Barge . Think why Roy Bradford went on that camp place in Malapais and maybe you will find the right canyon .


    Not familiar with the knob mine, Whats this map u speak of and how does it come into play? Always love getting though the bs to get the lil bit of truth or non truth. lol If ya can post the knob map would be appreciated as always. The map above would tend to tell me its fish creek not labarge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc4261 View Post
    Not familiar with the knob mine, Whats this map u speak of and how does it come into play? Always love getting though the bs to get the lil bit of truth or non truth. lol If ya can post the knob map would be appreciated as always. The map above would tend to tell me its fish creek not labarge.
    The " knob " name was given by me after the Erwin Ruth clue which says :
    " Mine is on a little knob about 50 feet high at the very end of a peninsula. On this hill is a pile of rocksabout 10 feet away from the opening. " (Erwin Ruth to Richard Peck)
    How knew Erwin about this clue if not from a map which his father possessed ? How his father aquired this map remains a mystery ( not so to me ) . Usually when someone give you a map for a rich mine as a recompense , then he will give you details for the mine, like the region , route and orientation in regards with known landmarks . Erwin didn't know for which mine was this clue and this is at least suspect . He believed was for the same mine depicted in the Perfil mapa ( LDM ) , but the truth was different .
    Now , which map was aquired by Erwin from Gonzales family , because there were at least four maps in Adolph Ruth possession , with the map containing the Erwin's clue told above to be missed ( till today ) after father's death in the Supers . When Erwin was asked what the map/s aquired in Mexico showed , he couldn't remember adding more mystery to the existing one . IMO Adolph Ruth was only a member of a group who tried to decrypt some maps after Gonzales was passing through Supers in 1930 .

    Fortunatelly for that " knob " mine exists another map , which is the same used in " Lust for Gold " movie ( see map bellow , the knob is marked in circle ) . Also , what maybe nobody knows is how for this mine existed a stone map known as Grijalva's which was made to be used in regards with a constellation observed from a specific point . Also all Diaz's clues which wrong were attached to the LDM , are for the " knob " mine .
    The " knob " mine was found by Not Peralta ( ex Tnet member who passed to eternity ) in early '80's , and he wrote about it :
    " The quartz came from a vein inside a volcanic bubble, a room of solid material, which could not be caved in, so there was no shoring done. On one side was a quartz vein about a foot wide, someone over time had done a lot of work on this vein. The vein went across the wall into the ground, and from that point they followed the vein digging down about 25 to 30 feet. Why they never finished working the vein can only be speculated on, while who ever had started working the vein downward had to start shoring it up. When I worked it down about another 10 to 15 feet it just got to dangerous.I ended up closing it up just like I found it. The entrance faced the west, and had a real good view of everything you could see for a long ways. NP "

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    A piece of " knob " mine ore taken by NP you can see in my profile picture .
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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc4261 View Post
    Not familiar with the knob mine, Whats this map u speak of and how does it come into play? Always love getting though the bs to get the lil bit of truth or non truth. lol If ya can post the knob map would be appreciated as always. The map above would tend to tell me its fish creek not labarge.
    And how you see WN , is in the correct place ? The canyon in the map is nor Fish Creek nor La Barge .
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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    The " knob " name was given by me after the Erwin Ruth clue which says :
    " Mine is on a little knob about 50 feet high at the very end of a peninsula. On this hill is a pile of rocksabout 10 feet away from the opening. " (Erwin Ruth to Richard Peck)
    How knew Erwin about this clue if not from a map which his father possessed ? How his father aquired this map remains a mystery ( not so to me ) . Usually when someone give you a map for a rich mine as a recompense , then he will give you details for the mine, like the region , route and orientation in regards with known landmarks . Erwin didn't know for which mine was this clue and this is at least suspect . He believed was for the same mine depicted in the Perfil mapa ( LDM ) , but the truth was different .
    Now , which map was aquired by Erwin from Gonzales family , because there were at least four maps in Adolph Ruth possession , with the map containing the Erwin's clue told above to be missed ( till today ) after father's death in the Supers . When Erwin was asked what the map/s aquired in Mexico showed , he couldn't remember adding more mystery to the existing one . IMO Adolph Ruth was only a member of a group who tried to decrypt some maps after Gonzales was passing through Supers in 1930 .

    Fortunatelly for that " knob " mine exists another map , which is the same used in " Lust for Gold " movie ( see map bellow , the knob is marked in circle ) . Also , what maybe nobody knows is how for this mine existed a stone map known as Grijalva's which was made to be used in regards with a constellation observed from a specific point . Also all Diaz's clues which wrong were attached to the LDM , are for the " knob " mine .
    The " knob " mine was found by Not Peralta ( ex Tnet member who passed to eternity ) in early '80's , and he wrote about it :
    " The quartz came from a vein inside a volcanic bubble, a room of solid material, which could not be caved in, so there was no shoring done. On one side was a quartz vein about a foot wide, someone over time had done a lot of work on this vein. The vein went across the wall into the ground, and from that point they followed the vein digging down about 25 to 30 feet. Why they never finished working the vein can only be speculated on, while who ever had started working the vein downward had to start shoring it up. When I worked it down about another 10 to 15 feet it just got to dangerous.I ended up closing it up just like I found it. The entrance faced the west, and had a real good view of everything you could see for a long ways. NP "

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    A piece of " knob " mine ore taken by NP you can see in my profile picture .

    That ore is pretty!! Nice find for sure!

  9. #9
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    The mine from Gonzalez map is the same with the mine from Ortiz map.
    The Gonzalez map is twice mirrored.
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    Marius

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





 

 

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