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    Where are the heart carvings?

    Where exactly are the heart carvings at Twin Buttes on the Gila River?
    Does someone have the coordinates or a good description of the site?
    Thank you in advance for any help.

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    33°08'27.34" N 111°09'37.90" W
    Hell,you ain't never too old to look!

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    Thank you somehiker.

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    ca
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    Yer welcome.
    Supposedly, the hill has mining claims on it and is posted and fenced off.
    Hell,you ain't never too old to look!

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    Quote Originally Posted by somehiker View Post
    33°08'27.34" N 111°09'37.90" W
    Are you sure this is correct? Tracy Hawkins said that they were no more than 1/4 mile north of the river, on the north bank.

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    Positive
    See the photos and GE views on the other website for comparison.
    Hell,you ain't never too old to look!

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    Well, that trashes a number of assumptions that I had about the purpose Twin Buttes served to certain, interested parties. That these markings are now three miles, and slightly NNW inland would seem to mean that interested parties headed inland from the Buttes, rather than skirting the outside until reaching QC. Perhaps it was to avoid settlements on the plains around QC.

    What's interesting is that these markings are next to an arroyo that empties into the Gila right where the Buttes are.

    But from the markings, to where?

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    gr
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    Tom Kollenborn wrote how Spanish markings which include a heart, are carved on South Butte.
    Tom Kollenborn Chronicles: Trip To Twin Buttes
    Marius

    There are many doors in and out of the mnts,but none so hidden as the ones in front of you.
    Do you possess the knowledge of the spirit to let you enter them? NP

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Tom Kollenborn wrote how Spanish markings which include a heart, are carved on South Butte.
    Tom Kollenborn Chronicles: Trip To Twin Buttes
    marius..tom was mistaken on that...they are not on south butte

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    marius..tom was mistaken on that...they are not on south butte
    Could be Dave. IMO that region has nothing to do with the stone maps. Maybe was a point of reference in someone's journey.
    Marius

    There are many doors in and out of the mnts,but none so hidden as the ones in front of you.
    Do you possess the knowledge of the spirit to let you enter them? NP

    If your true to your heart,you will never go wrong.The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Could be Dave. IMO that region has nothing to do with the stone maps. Maybe was a point of reference in someone's journey.
    a few of my friends have been there..they didn't think much of them
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    One of the oldest photos of the carvings that I could get my hands on:

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    Where you can see a heart, an arrow in the shape of a "7" pointing to the heart. I think this picture is probably from Bob Ward.

    I've reviewed my notes and it seems that there were two sites, according to Tracy Hawkins. This one, for which somehiker has given coordinates, and another, further south containing a horse, dagger, and a date.

    Tracy says: I was shown the scrapings by a chap who had a claim and had sunk a shaft in the center of the heart where the arrow pointed in the early 60's. I have been back to them several times over the years and flew over them several times while looking for signs of old trails and stage routes.

    He claims to have run into folks that were trying to date the ironwood trees growing in the path of the scrapings: The people I talked to ( Ernie and I ) were from Northern Az Univ. in Flagstaff. We ran into them on the second or third trip Ernie had made there so it was in the mid 60's. At that time they were taking samples of the ironwood trees growing through the scraping to ringdate. I heard later that some of them were 350 years old,

    Hopefully Kraig Roberts will read this and chime in a bit about the carvings- he has some more information, I think.

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    More from Tracy on the other site:

    Anyone who has seen the carvings on the hillsides just north of the twin buttes would come to the conclusion that who ever made those maps had seen these carvings as they are very much alike,---horses head, dagger,hearts , heart with the arrow, 1847 etc.
    I am not quilified to judge the age of the carvings--they were made by scraping the top soil fron the lighter colored dacite and are at least 200 feet high--the hearts ,that is. The other carvings are somewhat smaller. The brush that has grown up through and around them would indicate they are several hundred years old , with one exception--the number 1847--it apears to have been added at a later date. I base that on the differance in the construction ad the size of the brush.
    These carvings can be seen from the air by following the river to the twin buttes and watching the north bank--they are within 1/4 miles of the river and are on both the eastern and western sides of the hills.


    Also, another picture. This time of what seems to be two hearts.

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    The two hearts are on the west side of the ridge, opposite the heart and seven on the eastern side, and the 3 leg "stick" horse is on the south end, as can be seen in the second B/W photo you posted above.
    Way too much work for even a group of folks to do as a hoax, so could be related to what the stones were meant for. The Blythe Intaglios are another example of this kind of artifact, obviously meant to be seen from some distance by those who would understand what they meant.
    Here's a map from the 1850's or 60's.....prior to the construction of Cochran and the Coke ovens, or any "stage line"....which shows an existing mining/smelting operation where the Coke ovens were later constructed, as well as the "stone HOUSE" already standing on the rise well to the east of Cochran at the time the map was surveyed. I've crossed out and relocated the scrapings location to where it's a better match on this old map I think.

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    ca
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    Part of an 1892 survey map...

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