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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    All history is sanitized and manipulated to varying degrees - all the way from 12,000 years ago's history to yesterday's. Find out who benefits, then work backwards.

    Those who ignore or sanitize history are doomed to repeat it. Again, and again, and again.
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    The wisdom of Ambrose Bierce...and the frustration of all Libertarians:

    History is an account, mostly false, of events, mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers, mostly knaves, and soldiers, mostly fools.

    Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others.

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    Sounds like you're saying it kind of sucks to be censored on social media

    It ain't a democracy here, we gotta post by their rules. Welcome to the tyranny of Big Tech.

    As I recall, there's no such moderation over on the other channel. Even a whole thread for it. Go post over there, if you do, I'll join you.

    But seeing as we have rules here we have to abide by, I'm going to have to bow out as I don't want to push the mods too far. They have a job to do and we've got to have some respect for them, this site, and their rules. Take care, Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by deducer View Post
    That we even entertain the notion of history to be false is because we entertain the notion of an "other," a differing version- all a matter of a difference of opinions which are what constitutes a healthy democracy, not the twilight zone, reality-denying authoritarianism that we saw on display last night in Georgia.

    Contrast with the current practice of politicizing (in reality, weaponizing) certain keywords: "covid19," "pandemic," or "socialism," which empowers a mod to threaten me with a ban for engaging in "politics" in the other thread.

    Imagine if Barry Storm's interpretation of the LDM legend was taken to be the gospel, and all other versions politicized and thereby effectively suppressed. Anyone discussing Bark or Ely would be banned or suspended for discussing "politics" on this forum.
    No, Barry Storm never politicalized his story. It’s called you just disagreed with Berry or not. Fiction or nonfiction.
    Your trying to politicize your story. Not gonna work, nobody likes a political TROLL!

    babymick1

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    The facts behind the factoids
    Quote Originally Posted by PotBelly Jim View Post
    Steve, I've always wondered about something Rose said...I should've thought to ask you of all people...have you ever found any evidence of Rose's uncle being on the Miner Expedition? I believe it was supposed to have been Will Rose.

    As far as him being derided, it kinda makes sense. A bunch of part-time treasure seekers with pretty much made-up second-hand stories, talking down an actual treasure hunter/miner who knew most of the people he writes about and lived in AZ longer than most of 'em combined...yep, about par for the course I'd say
    Yes, Iíve got quite a bit about that very subject from Rose himself, and a bit more from another source. Unfortunately (well, fortunately for me), Iím out of town having fun and wonít be able to access the stuff until next week. Will Rose is a character Iíve been wanting to look into for a few years.
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    I've always liked Dennis Miller's take on the subject:

    "Democrats and Republicans are basically the same except the Republicans are owned by a slightly less scary group of people!"

    Mike
    Matthew 6:21; "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also"

    "You wouldn't like me when I'm mad, because I back up my rage with hard facts and logic!" - The Credible Hulk

    "Where do they teach you to post like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."

    ............... ALWAYS REMEMBER: When you make a typo, the errorists win...................Aloha Snackbar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    I've always liked Dennis Miller's take on the subject:

    "Democrats and Republicans are basically the same except the Republicans are owned by a slightly less scary group of people!"

    Mike
    I'm guessing he said that before Jan. 6, 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetesPockets55 View Post
    I'm guessing he said that before Jan. 6, 2021
    Considering the results of protest events during the previous year, I'm guessing what happened on Jan. 6 would have been far worse had their choice lost his bid for the job.
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    I would argue "Barry Storm" most certainly did "politize" his story when he wrote I Was Swindled By Red Movie Makers ​[1954]. Hardly the first - or the last - writer to be taken by Hollywood's creative accountants and accounting schemes, he portrayed his failure to be paid for his book on the enemy of the 1950's. He blamed the Red Menace without evidence.

    Good luck to all,

    The Old Bookaroo
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    Excellent point, Bookaroo.

    I had to laugh when I saw the lengths Storm would go to sell books. A tied-up nude woman on the cover, threats at every turn, commies behind every corner...classic Storm salesmanship!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotBelly Jim View Post
    Excellent point, Bookaroo.

    I had to laugh when I saw the lengths Storm would go to sell books. A tied-up nude woman on the cover, threats at every turn, commies behind every corner...classic Storm salesmanship!

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    i looked the book up online....they are going for $250......when storm wrote it...they were probably selling for twenty five cents ..lol
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    I turned down a chance to purchase a copy for $100 -- now I'm sorry I didn't pick it up.

    I believe there were two editions - both very small runs. I think they sold for about $2 each when they were published.

    FYI - I've seen two spellings for John Clymenson - also Climenson. I don't know which one is correct. Perhaps if one looked up the copyright for this book, one would have the answer.

    Good luck to all,

    The Old Bookaroo

    PS: It really isn't much of a movie...
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    Storm could have cared less if he made any money from his, " I was swindled " book. It was purely written for revenge and to hurt the reputation of Columbia Pictures Corporation.

    In 1947, Columbia Pictures bought the rights to Storms book, Thunder God's Gold. They told Storm they would write a screenplay based on his book and make a feature film based on it. Columbia led Storm to believe and Storm took that to mean Columbia would follow his storyline as written. Columbia however had a much different idea.

    Columbia needed an adventure action film to rival Republic Pictures Treasure of the Sierra Madres. At first Columbia's film was called Bonanza but just before its finish was changed to, Lust for Gold.

    The film butchered Storm's book even though the credits billed the picture, " the true story of a secret treasure based on the book Thunder God's Gold written by Barry Storm.

    Columbia portrayed Storm as the grandson of Jacob Waltz and led audience to believe several other unsavory untruths about Storm and his personal life.

    Storm was furious and sued Columbia to write out the lies about him and stick to the original books storyline. Columbia settled with Storm for a pittance then turned around and released the film the way they always planned to anyway.

    Storm sued again but Columbia's lawyers bled him out of money and Storm was forced to walk away disgraced and empty handed.

    Storm decided to get back at Columbia by writing a book that exposed their lies and treachery and used the red communist scare of the late 1940's to paint Columbia as dirty anti American communists. Storm wanted to tarnish Columbia's reputation just as they had tarnished his.

    Storm's book, I was swindled by red movie makers, was financed by backers of Wisconsin Senator Joe McCarthy to aid in the red scare of the late 40s and early 50's. Storm made little or no money from the book sales but achieved his goal of striking back at Columbia for what they had done to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Roberts View Post
    Storm could have cared less if he made any money from his, " I was swindled " book. It was purely written for revenge and to hurt the reputation of Columbia Pictures Corporation.

    In 1947, Columbia Pictures bought the rights to Storms book, Thunder God's Gold. They told Storm they would write a screenplay based on his book and make a feature film based on it. Columbia led Storm to believe and Storm took that to mean Columbia would follow his storyline as written. Columbia however had a much different idea.

    Columbia needed an adventure action film to rival Republic Pictures Treasure of the Sierra Madres. At first Columbia's film was called Bonanza but just before its finish was changed to, Lust for Gold.

    The film butchered Storm's book even though the credits billed the picture, " the true story of a secret treasure based on the book Thunder God's Gold written by Barry Storm.

    Columbia portrayed Storm as the grandson of Jacob Waltz and led audience to believe several other unsavory untruths about Storm and his personal life.

    Storm was furious and sued Columbia to write out the lies about him and stick to the original books storyline. Columbia settled with Storm for a pittance then turned around and released the film the way they always planned to anyway.

    Storm sued again but Columbia's lawyers bled him out of money and Storm was forced to walk away disgraced and empty handed.

    Storm decided to get back at Columbia by writing a book that exposed their lies and treachery and used the red communist scare of the late 1940's to paint Columbia as dirty anti American communists. Storm wanted to tarnish Columbia's reputation just as they had tarnished his.

    Storm's book, I was swindled by red movie makers, was financed by backers of Wisconsin Senator Eugene McCarthy to aid in the red scare of the late 40s and early 50's. Storm made little or no money from the book sales but achieved his goal of striking back at Columbia for what they had done to him.
    you cant win against the big boys...you might get a few jabs in..but in the end you'll get KO'D

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    Great info Matthew...regardless of his motivation (sales or revenge) he sure pulled out all the stops to get people to pick that book up.

    Dave...I think Storm may have pulled a fast one or two himself on people over the years...sounds like Karma to me

 

 
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