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[cactusjumper]

Good Morning Roy,

"If we take the position that NO Jesuit priest ever went near any of the silver and gold mines, nor ever hid ANY treasures, likewise the evidence does not support that position either."

Can't imagine anyone who has read the history of the Jesuits in the New World taking that "extream" of a position, I certainly don't.

I don't dismiss Jesuit treasures lightly or out of hand. There was a time when I firmly believed that Harry LaFrance's cave of gold bars was a Jesuit treasure. Preached that theory for a couple of decades.

As is my habit, I did not spend that time reading only treasure hunting material, but searched out historical background to confirm my beliefs. While some accounts did hint at Jesuit mining, not one piece of solid evidence ever surfaced. Eventually I came to believe that Harry's treasure was not Jesuit, but probably came out of Mexico through Ted DeGrazia's friends, one of whom claimed to have ridden with Poncho Villa.

I find it highly doubtful there was ever a King of Spain's secret code that every miner and mine had to conform to. The shear numbers did not allow any room for secrecy. "On pain of Spain" did not exist as a phrase, as far as I can tell, until coined by the treasure hunting community. The miners of the New World had minimal fear of the king who had little control over the remote mines. The king's men were quickly swayed by the generosity of the mine owners to look the other way. Mexico has changed little since that time.

As with every country in that era, secret codes were being invented at a staggering rate. One country was the laughing stock for the rest of the world, because of the simplicity of their codes. Their letters were being deciphered, almost, before the ink dried. Do you know which country that was?

For a quick primer on the history of codes, I would recommend that everyone interested in such things, pick up and read "The Code Book" by Simon Singh. If you can break away from treasure hunter's code books for a short time, you may find this book an eye opener. Our major area of interest can be found on pages 28 and 29. For those interested in the Beale Cypher, that can be found beginning on page 82. Singh covers Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography. That takes a pretty good sized book and entails some fairly dry reading.

The idea that these "King's" secret codes could be kept out of public view for hundreds of years, seems a bit ludicrous to me. Beyond that the entire concept, as it applies to Jesuit treasure, seems illogical.

Just my opinion based on the small amount or research I have done on the subject. I have no problem admitting that there is a huge amount of history and information out there that I have never seen or even heard of. That being said, it follows that I could be wrong.

Take care,

Joe

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Listening & thunkn

Don Jose de La Mancha

[djui5]

Phil,
Any progress?

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Hi mi buddy Djuicy. Missed you.

Don Jose de La Mancha

[djui5]

Hi mi buddy Djuicy. Missed you.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Missed you too

[Cubfan64]

Hi mi buddy Djuicy. Missed you.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Missed you too

Ewwwww - get a room :P

Happy New Year - any thoughts on if I should look into coming out for a week in March sometime?

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Cubie : You posted -->

Ewwwww - get a room
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Nah, cheaper here. Besides you now have made it a three some, sigh

Don Jose de La Mancha.

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[djui5]

haha Don Jose

Paul,
March should be good. Let me check with my work schedule. I'll be taking another week off before summer so that would be a good time. I gotta check with Wayne too, see what his schedule is gonna be like.

[dustcap]

Happy New Year - any thoughts on if I should look into coming out for a week in March sometime?

Just a note on that time of year... the last time I went overnight into the Supers in March I nearly froze at night. That was the first week in March so maybe later in the month would be OK...? This month in the past few weeks we saw a lot of rain, so there may be a lot of foliage when you visit. Be sure to bring a camera.

-Ken "dustcap" Chichester

[cactusjumper]

Paul,

Our experience over the last 52 years, is that the third week in March is the best time to go in. Others may have a time that they feel is better, so maybe you will get some other suggestions.

Hope you are able to make it.

Take care,

Joe