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    Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Ki, first the Chief Joseph Brant was a member of the Iroquois League of 6 nations. Part of there territory ran into Kentucky. There were small bands of other tribes that were used as buffers against raids and the league gave them protection.

    Chief Joseph was schooled in England and could read and write with the best of the white men.

    Curtis,
    There seems to be a problem with the swift map and symbols on it. Some say that the famous (101) carving is not swifts. But on map 2 it has it and map 2 is the most famous. Notice the left side of the map, it has nothing there. there should be a 101 and below it an all seeing eye. all are part of the Masonic symbols.
    1. map 1: this is the carving that is on a cliff about 1/2 mile down stream from were the 4 barrels of coin were buried. The line of rock was blasted out by the corp of engineers, sad because i was told there were several carvings and names along it. Remember that he says go here look in, climb up, there has to be a reason for this, like the 3 trees in a rockhouse. there must be more carvings or something buried? The shaft of the arrow goes thru a rockhouse. i saw this and in the back is a small opening, never did have a chance to search this. Next to this rockhouse is a cliff that has a seam of coal that goes in a line to the small rockhouse, does the small opening in back of the rockhouse tye in to this? Past the indian is the 45 acres at the mouth of the creek.


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  2. #2

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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Next, if you will look at the center of swifts map, there are 4 sevens. The sevens and the 101 are on tea kettle rock with directions to get them. The photo below is the location of one set, with 101 and the seven. Where i was standing is where one of the mines is, when i took this photo. If you look close you can see the 2 pillar rocks near the cliff. The next photo is a close up of the rock with the 101 and seven. Notice the line carved into the rock below the 101. The 101 was used by the Masonic Lodge to represent the entrance into King Solamens Temple. The 1's were the 2 pillars on each side and the 0 represented the inner chamber or treasure room. On top of the 101 is a small carving that looks like a 7 but it has a small extension. This cliff runs for a short distance, like the carving. In the center of the 0 is a deep round cut. Nothing along the cliff has been disturbed.
    The next photo shows a hand. Most Indian clans used some sort of mark and the hand carved meant something of importance.
    The KGC stories tell of 3 hands. White, Yellow, Red, the last meaning danger. But this was a carving use for centuries by the tribes and they were colored. But every carving found had to be KGC or Swifts. On the buffalo rock is a carving of a hand with an X carved into it, palm facing up with the thumb longer than it should be, all this is just above mundays name, there is still some pigment of white left on it. The photo shows were the thumb led to. anyway I've got the bug or bugs. so i guess i rambled on.
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  3. #3
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)



    Hi Boomer!

    Its good to see you are still working on the Way Bill stuff! There is a lot more there than just the locations of the silver mines. I had read a lot about Mathew Bacon Sellers, had even tried to locate his granddaughter in Florida but never connected. Your copy had some great locations/ directions that Henson’s didn't have. Henson had sent me a copy of his Indian Way bill back in 1981 and said “I hope you find a million dollars”. I finally started finding locations and then when I read yours I was able to find the rest and the mines. I do think there is more to it than just the mine locations. Can you give me a little more info on the location of the Monday and Swift names…..I have been right past them and not seen them. I need to go when the water is down. I have really enjoyed searching the rocks and climbing the cliffs in the area. I know we still miss a lot but I have found most of the things the Indian mentions even the location of the “tree” trees…. believe it or not the rotted stump of one is still there. I also found some steps carved into the rock but not enough to be the Indian stair steps Swift mentions…although there e are sever places where there are the steps of layer s of rock that I think he was really calling the stair steps.
    I did however find a Spanish name ELIPE and date carving up Caney creek. Sellers claimed he found 13 Spanish coins near his place …do you have a good location on his land? I know it was nearby, and sold recently (it was on the national register…how things get off and sold is beyond me).
    In my research I have found things that seem to indicate that maybe the Spanish were in the area first, they may have used the Shawnee as friends or slaves to work the mines. Then when Swift came into the area he may have hooked up with some of the descendants who showed Swift the mines (read that he was part Indian or had married into the Shawnee tribe before his trips in the 1760s) I think the Indians Swift had trouble with were the Cherokees. The Shawnee and them were enemies all the time.
    I am not going to disagree about who wrote the Way bill, but I could not find where Chief Joseph of the Iroquois was ever in Kentucky. After reading several early books he was almost totally in the New York area.. he did do some traveling down into the Virginia area. I wonder if the chief the waybill talks about is someone related to Cornstalk? He fits the time period and area better…just cannot find who it may be.

    Sure do enjoy your maps and posts!

    Curtis
    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

  4. #4

    Jul 2003
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Curtis,
    Joseph Brant
    Joseph Brant (1742-1807) was a Mohawk chief and ally of the British during the American Revolution. He was instrumental in moving the Mohawks to Canada following the winning of American independence.

    Joseph Brant was born in the Ohio Valley near Portsmouth, Ohio and was called Thayendanegea ("he who places two bets"). His father was a sachem of the Iroquois Confederacy, to which the Mohawks belonged; however, Brant's mother was Shawnee not a Mohawk, and as descent in the tribe was matrilineal, he never rose to the rank of sachem, although he did become a war chief.

    forgot to add this,
    At the line of rock, the rockhouse that is the bow on the drawing, next to it is a cliff that goes along the creek south. look up on the cliff and you will see a hand carved there, has a white color. follow the thumb. you will need to go up the carved steps between the rockhouse and where the coins were buried. along the hill south is a small round rock with a vary small hand carved and the date 1762. the thumb points southwest toward a hill on the west shore, past the 45 acers. dam i miss being able to get out.

  5. #5
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Great information Boomer. I live here in Elliott County and have looked for the mines since I was a kid with my dad. Anyways, I would love to find that carving of 1762 that you mentioned. However I am not for sure where the coins were found. I know of a hole in the side of a cliff that is close to the line of rocks that was once masoned up with rock, however I thought it might have been a cellar because of the cabin that once set next to the line of rocks. Anyways, any more information would be helpful. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by boomer
    Curtis,
    Joseph Brant
    Joseph Brant (1742-1807) was a Mohawk chief and ally of the British during the American Revolution. He was instrumental in moving the Mohawks to Canada following the winning of American independence.

    Joseph Brant was born in the Ohio Valley near Portsmouth, Ohio and was called Thayendanegea ("he who places two bets"). His father was a sachem of the Iroquois Confederacy, to which the Mohawks belonged; however, Brant's mother was Shawnee not a Mohawk, and as descent in the tribe was matrilineal, he never rose to the rank of sachem, although he did become a war chief.

    forgot to add this,
    At the line of rock, the rockhouse that is the bow on the drawing, next to it is a cliff that goes along the creek south. look up on the cliff and you will see a hand carved there, has a white color. follow the thumb. you will need to go up the carved steps between the rockhouse and where the coins were buried. along the hill south is a small round rock with a vary small hand carved and the date 1762. the thumb points southwest toward a hill on the west shore, past the 45 acers. dam i miss being able to get out.

  6. #6
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    The place you found that looks like a cellar was where the four kegs of coins was buried. The steps are further around the hill and are just two/three that go up onto a large rock. Do you know of a guy named Zach he is interested in the same area. We should all get together and share and explore the area better. The more eyes the better.

    Sure would like to hear more from Boomer and see if he could go. He knows more about that area and the indian carvings than anyone I have talked to.
    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

  7. #7
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    Feb 2009
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Hey Curtis, I am Zach. But you are right; you and I do need to head down in Caney when the weather breaks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis
    The place you found that looks like a cellar was where the four kegs of coins was buried. The steps are further around the hill and are just two/three that go up onto a large rock. Do you know of a guy named Zach he is interested in the same area. We should all get together and share and explore the area better. The more eyes the better.

    Sure would like to hear more from Boomer and see if he could go. He knows more about that area and the indian carvings than anyone I have talked to.

  8. #8
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    Feb 2009
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Boomer here is a picture of some of the carvings I was telling you about that are on Caney. There are many more on this rock. I also used soapstone and didnt know that it was bad for carvings at the time. But oh well; live and learn I guess.
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    For some reason my picture is cut off about half way. There is actually another hand carved on it as well as many other numbers and symbols.
    Quote Originally Posted by EC.Mason
    Boomer here is a picture of some of the carvings I was telling you about that are on Caney. There are many more on this rock. I also used soapstone and didnt know that it was bad for carvings at the time. But oh well; live and learn I guess.

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    Feb 2009
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    This picture was also taken on Caney. My dad and I used to go down Caney in a boat and we stopped and took this picture. However neither one of us can remember where it is. We know it is on Caney and we had thought that it was on the same rock as the previous picture I attached but we cant find them now. Anyone know where these carvings are?
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  11. #11
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Sorry everyone, my pictures are only showing about half of what it should. I will try to get this fixed and send them again.
    Quote Originally Posted by EC.Mason
    This picture was also taken on Caney. My dad and I used to go down Caney in a boat and we stopped and took this picture. However neither one of us can remember where it is. We know it is on Caney and we had thought that it was on the same rock as the previous picture I attached but we cant find them now. Anyone know where these carvings are?

  12. #12
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    Feb 2009
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    If you scroll down to the bottom of each of my posts with the pictures, you will find a link where you can open the picture and it will show the whole thing.

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    Feb 2010
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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    EC Mason,

    Which Caney Creek were these taken on?
    What county?
    How long ago?

    Thank you for sharing them!

    --Chris

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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    Boomer where are ya?

    Ive been reading some really good storeys coming from your guys area. Good locations for gold and silver!!!
    could these carving connect to Lekain somehow? Great Pics E.C. ....... -Ki-
    "A picture can speak a thousand words"

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    Re: Indian waybill to Swift Mines (Revisited)

    The pics Mason is talking about is on Caney creek in Elliott County, KY. We were sharing about having the same picture of the word ELIPE carved on a rock but neither are really sure where it was...I am thinking 1/8 mile from the boat ramp. For sure its on the right side going upstream! Near it is one that has completely different text and says "One to many a day" not sure of the meaning. Can't show you much else right now as its related to some really good finds dealing with Indian silver mines.

    Like KI, I wish Boomer would chime in on this. As i mentioned to Mason he is like Mason's father, he knows about all kinds of carvings in the area. Not only that, he has some interpretations for the carvings.
    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

 

 
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