swift trade with indians

[rgb1]

i have read swift traded with indians two different times now cant find it anyone know where it is

 

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[SD51]

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[KY Hiker]

Online used book store, sweet, thanks for link.

 

[rgb1]

great site thanks RGB1

 

[KY Hiker]

Boone's friend John Finley (various spellings of his last name) was known to trade with the Indians. He supposedly had a hut/place to do trade at The Indian Old Fields near Winchester, KY. As I read more stories associated with Boone, Gist and even some of the long hunters I am starting to believe parts of these stories were blended into word of mouth lore in early KY and somehow merged with the tales about Swift. Many early settlers were not literate and had no way of writing down events.

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=170094

https://www.geni.com/people/John-Finley/6000000003134162735

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/finley/603/

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/founders/sitea10.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Discovery,_Settlement_and_Present_State_of_Kentucke

https://geauganews.com/john-finley-huntsburgs-man-of-mystery/

https://www.winchestersun.com/2020/...ric-places-in-clark-county-indian-old-fields/

 

[KY Hiker]

Many Swift enthusiasts consider M.P. Henson's book(s) on Swift almost gospel. I do not in any way wish to discredit his work, many know he probably had the most extensive collection of Swift materials anywhere. He was THE authority on the legend, but I think after 200+ years after the events... very little can be known to be true based on real evidence. So many versions of journals...which one is correct...better yet...which one hasn't been altered? No one could know, not even M.P. Henson. Therefore I try to not take the contents of his book(s) as true to fact. The version of Swift's journal published in his book is the most widely currently circulated version of the Swift Journal without a doubt. Does this mean he published the correct (if there is one) journal?
For those of us that are less versed in all the versions of journals, and some of the altered details over the years it is good to know that Mr. Ed Henson had a father who worked for U.S.F.S. in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s in the Red River Gorge region of the forest. I would imagine that Mr. Ed Henson got his interest in Swift from his father. Ed Henson has written a fictional novel based around the Swift legend. He has a blog and it is an interesting and informative read, even Ki from these forums has contributed to it at one time. Some links to the blog below. Much more to read including his book! It is entertaining!
https://booklocker.com/books/5744.html

Quote from Ed Henson's blog, "In the late 1950’s and early 60’s, I became familiar with the famous legend from my father and my cousin, Michael Paul Henson. I recall various treasure hunters coming to Kentucky armed with copies of the journal supposedly left by Swift. Since my father had extensive knowledge of the Red River country, having named many of the arches himself, he was much sought after to provide directions and information about some of the unusual rock formations of the region. Later, my cousin Michael Paul wrote books and became a recognized authority on the subject. Paul devoted a good portion of his life researching and searching for the lost mines. From both these two fine gentlemen I gleaned quite a lot of information and over the years have collected articles and information regarding the famous legend."

http://ed-henson.blogspot.com/2010/

http://ed-henson.blogspot.com/2011/

http://ed-henson.blogspot.com/2013/02/eskippakithiki-eden-of-west.html

http://ed-henson.blogspot.com/2013/01/swift-journal.html

http://ed-henson.blogspot.com/2012/04/search-for-peculiar-rock.html

Swift: Red River Gorge Past Years

 

[KY Hiker]

I believe I have found the source of your question RGB1. Read this link, suggests Swift may have traded with Indians. It is not proof and it does not provide evidence but it is stated.

Swift: Eskippakithiki-Eden of the West

 

[franklin]

Thomas J. Beale of the Beale Treasure story, and his brother Robert were born in that valley. One half Indian.

 

[Curtis]

Swift also mentions an old tribe and their camp grounds near their abandoned village. I think that is located near the boat ramp at the head of Caney creek, up on top of the hill, tons of old mussel/clam shells there, had to be a nice village nearby. This fits with several other items that make that area a prime contender for some of the mines (6 in that area I found). Not the same mines RGB1 has found.

 

[KY Hiker]

Swift also mentions an old tribe and their camp grounds near their abandoned village. I think that is located near the boat ramp at the head of Caney creek, up on top of the hill, tons of old mussel/clam shells there, had to be a nice village nearby. This fits with several other items that make that area a prime contender for some of the mines (6 in that area I found). Not the same mines RGB1 has found.

Recall reading a journal that there was a tribe of Mecca in an area on route to mines? Is this what you are referring to?

 

[Curtis]

Yes, they are the ones...near the mines...on the way to them. I think Ki thought they might be at Indian Old Fields..[FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]Eskippakithiki ....[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]no one knows for sure...yet..[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]Also, by some accounts Swift had [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]Indians[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif] with him.[/FONT]

 

[KY Hiker]

OK got ya, the mention of Indian campgrounds is in several versions...it is where they slept... being in the vicinity of the Indian Stair steps and the crossing over to other side of the creek via a rock bridge...all this being near the mine(s). The Mecca were in route to or from mines as I recall reading. I recall Ki posting about this vaguely, Mecca being close to what one clan of Shawnee were called. I find it hard to believe Eskippakithiki to be the place, since it is on the plain West of the mountains in East KY and wouldn't be on his route unless coming up the Warriors Trace from Cumberland Gap and then heading East to mines... NONE of the journals I have read state traveling to the mines either North or East but rather West and South West along the great ridge (Pine Mt.) after crossing the Big Sandy.

 

[rgb1]

guess what guys there is an indian camp near the french mine i found within one mile this would be on the route to paintsville if you crossed the mountain trails from louisa they baisicly follow route 32 to blain and 201 to paintsville but cross the mountains i have been told this was a mecca camp.

 

[franklin]

guess what guys there is an indian camp near the french mine i found within one mile this would be on the route to paintsville if you crossed the mountain trails from louisa they baisicly follow route 32 to blain and 201 to paintsville but cross the mountains i have been told this was a mecca camp.

Yes I have been up and down those roads. The Silver Mines are supposed to be back in the mountains behind Paintsville? My brother and I went up some of those creeks. There are a lot of rock shelters along those branches. Never did get to the heads of those branches or on the other side of the mountains. But yes according to old maps there was Mecca Indians living near that location.

And Mud Lick Creek above there is where "Jenny" was taken to by the Swift Party.

 

[KY Hiker]

I still find it odd that almost every suspected area silver could have been mined is now under water due to Army Corp of Engineers dam building...except the RRGorge, and it almost went under water too!

RGB1, I remember you speaking of this before.

 

[rgb1]

guess
what if they tried to flood the mines i found they need several hundred feet of water more in height i think i have confirmed they are swifts mines this will all be in my book . hopefully will be out by next spring.