Hey Bucketfreak68, Want to thank you for the advice and the videos you told me about. Have done my homework and foot work on the site I'm working, made some changes and have made a huge difference in what I take home. Over a hundred flakes last, long day out. What I've found is this fever builds on it'self. I don't want to come home from the creek and when I do I'm already thinking of when I go back. Thanks again and hope to meet up someday even if it's not on the creek.