Oct 15, 2013, 12:18 AM
You should listen to Kuger and pippinwhitepaws on this. They obviously know what they speak of. Rye patch isn't just heavily claimed by large mining companies but most of the public land that isn't claimed is part of a large Department of Defense withdrawal.
If you follow the Rye Patch directions Fullpan gave on this thread last year you would find you are right in the middle of an active group of placer claims. Land status changes. These claims are on the part of the Section (square mile) "checkerboard" that is not part of the DOD withdrawal. They were restaked this summer and the mining company is currently sampling several square miles of those claims with heavy equipment so any efforts to just slip in for some detecting will be immediately noticed by those mining crews. Not much cover up there.
The LR2000 is only a starting point in fulfilling your obligation to perform your due diligence regarding land status. The LR2000 has been unavailable since October 1 so that's not really going to be an option. Even if it were working the LR2000 is often inaccurate and never current. The information from the LR2000 is only part of the land status equation.
The BLM is not legally capable of giving you permission to prospect. Their claims records are only accurate to the nearest quarter mile and their land management maps don't include information about mineral ownership status. Not all unclaimed public lands have mineral rights. Even if they did have the information you wanted they can't guarantee that information or back you up with the Sheriff when you find out they were wrong.
Nevada is THE Mining State. People are serious about their mining there. Prospecting willy nilly across the public lands could lead to some pretty uncomfortable situations in a place where people are serious about their mineral rights.
A lot of people have prospected Rye Patch with great success. Some of those people got permission from claim holders or found unclaimed land or open land like the DOD withdrawal. The majority of those successful prospectors just prospected wherever it looked good to them even though the area has always had a great number of claims.
Today things are different. The price of gold is in the range that makes mining companies remember just why they held all those claims for years. Miners are mining again and claim holders are beginning to look at their minerals as a valuable investment that needs protection. Wherever I go in the west these days I see new mining operations. We are experiencing the beginning of a new mining era.
The days of wandering the west prospecting wherever it appealed to you are coming to an end. It's never been legally OK to prospect just wherever - all prospectors have a legal obligation to find out the status of the land you intend to prospect before you go there and prospect. For a lot of years those laws went largely unenforced. The "Good Old Days" are fading fast as metal prices rise. With a new strength for mining come changes that may be inconvenient for the casual prospector.
There are still many large nuggets to be found at Rye Patch. There are still friendly claim owners that may let you prospect their claims for a day or two. There is still open public land at Rye Patch. You just can't rely on the LR2000, a BLM land management map or signs on the ground to show you where those open lands and friendly claim owners are.
I hope the original poster found some good gold. Taking a nugget or two back home to Germany would be pretty cool!
Last edited by Clay Diggins; Oct 15, 2013 at 12:26 AM.
Oct 15, 2013 12:18 AM
Nov 20, 2013, 12:24 AM
I haven't prospected at Rye Patch yet but I have heard and read a lot of stories over the years about it. I drive through that area on my way from Utah to NoCal from time to time. My research has told me that it is almost all claimed up by big corps but they haven't bothered to mark their claims. I don't want to get involved in a fight with a big mining corp so I have stayed away.
I have not heard of a Department of Defense (DOD) mineral withdrawal. I googled it and found nothing. Can you point me to an internet source where I can get some coordinates on this withdrawal? I assume that means that nobody can claim it and it is free to openly prospect on a small scale. (as with the BLM mineral withdrawal areas in Oregon that I am familiar with)
Nov 20, 2013, 02:07 PM
Your best bet Carl is to get the Master Title Plat for the Township and Range you are interested in. You can find those at the Government Land Office under the Land Status Records. That will show the DOD withdrawals.
Around the Majuba placers it's an almost random checkerboard pattern of mostly whole sections. The withdrawal is in the name of the Department of the Navy.
Hope that helps.
Nov 21, 2013, 01:36 AM
First, thing that you need to get is "google earth". Then you will need to get a subscription to http://www.minecache.com . After that, you can plan your trip on google earth and know where not to prospect as well as where to prospect safely… with Minecache you will be able to select either ALL the current [active] BLM claims, or ALL the closed claims….
Another big help is always having with you a Garmin GPS with a program installed on it made by "Montana Maps". It is a program made for hunting… but, for prospecting… it is very useful… It will show you very accurate realtime property lines… and also Private Property Owners where you can ask for permission to detect on their land! With the GPS and that program you know 100% if you are on Government land, or trespassing on "Private Property."
Both the minecache.com with google earth and the GPS with "Montana Maps" will make sure you are where you need to be and have a safe prospecting trip!…
Also Both these programs will work on an iPad
Best of Luck Prospecting!
Nov 21, 2013, 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by GoldCTX
Nov 22, 2013, 11:24 AM
Just an update on OP "duchenem" adventure. We exchanged almost twenty pm's when he was in Winnemucca hotel base camp for about 4 days. Long story
Originally Posted by Clay Diggins
short, he and a partner made all-day forays to Rye Patch area, and then to Sawtooth Knob area. Close, but no cigars. He and Max found some, and were given some nice quartz crystals - said they were of quality almost equal to famous crystals from Swiss alps, of which he has a collection. At least he didn't go home completely skunked - said he had a blast.
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