Bedrock and Gold: The mysteries . . .

Lanny in AB

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Do you love to chase the gold? Please join me--lots of gold hunting tips, stories of finds (successful and not), and prospecting poetry.

Nugget in the bedrock tip:

I had a visit with a mining buddy this past weekend, and he told me of an epic battle to get a nugget out of the bedrock, and of what he learned from the experience. I thought some of you might like to learn from his mistake.

While out detecting one day, he came across a large sheet of bare bedrock. The bedrock was exposed because the area had been blasted off with a water cannon (a monitor), by the old-timers! It was not fractured bedrock, in fact it was totally smooth.

He was not optimistic at all of the prospects of a nugget. But, for some reason (we've all been there) he decided to swing his detector over that bedrock. After a long time, just as he was about to give up on his crazy hunch, he got a signal, right out of that smooth bedrock.

There was no crevice, no sign of a crevice, nada! So, he had to go all the way back to camp to get a small sledge and a chisel. The signal in the rock intrigued him, but he still wasn't overly optimistic. For those of you that have chased signals in a similar situation, sometimes there's a patch of hot mineralization in the bedrock that sounds off, but this spot, according to him, was sharp and clear right in the middle of the signal, not just a general increase of the threshold like you get when you pass over a hot spot in the bedrock.

Anyway, he made it back to the spot and started to chisel his way into the bedrock. If any of you have tried this, it's an awful job, and you usually wind up with cut knuckles--at the least! Regardless, he kept fighting his way down, busting out chunks of bedrock. He kept checking the hole, and the signal remained very strong.

This only puzzled him all the more as he could clearly see that it was solid bedrock with no sign of any crevice. He finally quit at the end of the day, at a depth of about a foot, but still, nothing in the hole.

An experienced nugget shooting friend dropped by the next morning to see him, and asked him how the hunt was going. My buddy related his tale of the mysterious hole in the bedrock, and told the friend to go over and check it out, and see if he could solve the riddle.

Later in the day, the other nugget hunter returned. In his hand was a fine, fat, sassy nugget. It weighed in at about an ounce and a quarter! After my friend returned his eyeballs to their sockets and zapped his heart to start it again, he asked where the nugget had come from.

Imagine his surprise when he heard it came from the mystery hole!! He asked how deep the other guy had gone into the bedrock to get it. "Well, no deeper" was his reply.

So, here's the rest of the story as to what happened. When the successful nugget hunter got to the bedrock, he scanned the surface got the same strong signal as my buddy. He widened out the hole and scanned again. Still a solid tone. He widened the hole some more so he could get his coil in, and here's the key and the lesson in this story, he got a strong signal off the side of the hole, about six inches down, but set back another inch into the side of the bedrock!!

My unlucky friend, the true discoverer of the gorgeous nugget's resting place had gone deep past the signal while digging his hole!!

Now, of course, a good pinpointer would easily solve this problem. The problem was, my buddy didn't have one, so why would he widen the hole, right? Well, the other guy was the one with more experience, and that's why he did. It was a lot more work, but what a payoff!

So, my buddy's butt is still black and blue from where he kicked himself for the next week or so for having lost such an incredible prize.

Some nugget hunting lessons are harder than others to learn. . . .

All the best,

Lanny


P.S. When in gold country--check the bedrock, regardless of whether it looks likely or not! Mother Nature likes to play games sometimes.

 

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Cariboo5

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Great, informative reply! Great pictures and descriptions as well.

That 40 gram nugget has some good lookin' character.

Thanks for dropping in.

All the best,

Lanny


Thanks Lanny, it's nice to be able to add informative results which could be useful for some in your excellent post here, but also in the same process help out in a little way when possible...

Appreciate the character reference on the 40 gram nugget ( you hit the nail square dap on the head) as this is my all time favorite, always with me to use as a learning tool when detecting the hot rock grounds. If you don't mind I will post a few better pictures. This nugget is not 100% pure gold but close to it and I believe the character will speak for it's self....


Nug40 1.JPG Nug40 3.JPG Nug40 6.jpg
 

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I don't mean any harm...
But isn't it funny to look at that nuggy and see it as a golden turd? Man... if only some beast dumped those... I'd be a shepherd!
 

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I don't mean any harm...
But isn't it funny to look at that nuggy and see it as a golden turd? Man... if only some beast dumped those... I'd be a shepherd!


And I would buy a whole herd.....:thumbsup:
 

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Lanny in AB

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Thanks Lanny, it's nice to be able to add informative results which could be useful for some in your excellent post here, but also in the same process help out in a little way when possible...

Appreciate the character reference on the 40 gram nugget ( you hit the nail square dap on the head) as this is my all time favorite, always with me to use as a learning tool when detecting the hot rock grounds. If you don't mind I will post a few better pictures. This nugget is not 100% pure gold but close to it and I believe the character will speak for it's self....

Cariboo,

If you don't want to answer, I completely understand, but is that a British Columbia nugget? A Yukon nugget?

Whatever its pedigree, it sure is a beautiful nugget.

If you want to tell the story sometime, I'm all ears.

By the way, I really appreciate it that you took the time to post the other pictures of your nugget.

All the best,

Lanny
 

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Lanny in AB

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I don't mean any harm...
But isn't it funny to look at that nuggy and see it as a golden turd? Man... if only some beast dumped those... I'd be a shepherd!

Organic nuggets? Sheep?

I don't want to recycle any of those nuggets or keep any of them in the house, but the golden kind?

I'll always be in on that recycling drive, and I'd even volunteer to be the shepherd that had to collect them.

All the best,

Lanny
 

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Cariboo,

If you don't want to answer, I completely understand, but is that a British Columbia nugget? A Yukon nugget?

Whatever its pedigree, it sure is a beautiful nugget.

If you want to tell the story sometime, I'm all ears.

By the way, I really appreciate it that you took the time to post the other pictures of your nugget.

All the best,

Lanny


I don't mind a short story Lanny....It is a British Columbia nugget found 22 years ago. The area is known for its darker colored gold nuggets. Most gold I have found has a nice smooth to semi-rough surface, this nugget is the only one which has what I would describe as a gnarly all around surface. In my mind's eye I try to imagine how this was formed by nature..

Thanks for your considerate words and I agree..it does have character...
 

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Thanks Lanny, it's nice to be able to add informative results which could be useful for some in your excellent post here, but also in the same process help out in a little way when possible...

Appreciate the character reference on the 40 gram nugget ( you hit the nail square dap on the head) as this is my all time favorite, always with me to use as a learning tool when detecting the hot rock grounds. If you don't mind I will post a few better pictures. This nugget is not 100% pure gold but close to it and I believe the character will speak for it's self....


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That is awe inspiring. You could spend hours looking at it with a magnifying glass and still not see it all.
 

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That is certainly a nice chunky nug to be proud of. Very nice indeed. Dennis
 

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Lanny,
I've been away for a bit and your forum is the first I hit. I thoroughly enjoyed these additional stories.
The sand shark being used for something I think it wasn't intended, but was used out of necessity proves that any detector can find gold. "iF" the person detecting tries to understand what the detector is telling him/her.
The hot rocks is another reason, plus added depth, is why I'm thinking about a PI as a secondary. Plus I could have a gold detector for one of my kids to use. I'm comfortable with my VLF and actually compared it to the Gold Bug. It was almost as good as the GB and I was even thinking about getting one as well.
But of coarse I still need that first nugget. I didn't find one when I went out with Dennis a couple weeks ago. He did point out that he'd gone through that wash a couple hundred times and he's still pulling out a nugget every now and then. This did give my mind a reminder about how all of the gold hasn't been found, even in some of these areas that have been hit hard for the past years. The thing I've got going for me is that I move at a turtles pace.
Now if I could just put this pain out of my head, I could get back out there and get that nugget. I know it's coming soon. Of coarse the pic will follow.
Thanks again for all you do.
Plus thanks to the others here who share their knowledge and pics of their finds. I truly enjoy seeing your rewards for all the hard work.
 

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Lanny in AB

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Lanny,
I've been away for a bit and your forum is the first I hit. I thoroughly enjoyed these additional stories.
The sand shark being used for something I think it wasn't intended, but was used out of necessity proves that any detector can find gold. "iF" the person detecting tries to understand what the detector is telling him/her.
The hot rocks is another reason, plus added depth, is why I'm thinking about a PI as a secondary. Plus I could have a gold detector for one of my kids to use. I'm comfortable with my VLF and actually compared it to the Gold Bug. It was almost as good as the GB and I was even thinking about getting one as well.
But of coarse I still need that first nugget. I didn't find one when I went out with Dennis a couple weeks ago. He did point out that he'd gone through that wash a couple hundred times and he's still pulling out a nugget every now and then. This did give my mind a reminder about how all of the gold hasn't been found, even in some of these areas that have been hit hard for the past years. The thing I've got going for me is that I move at a turtles pace.
Now if I could just put this pain out of my head, I could get back out there and get that nugget. I know it's coming soon. Of coarse the pic will follow.
Thanks again for all you do.
Plus thanks to the others here who share their knowledge and pics of their finds. I truly enjoy seeing your rewards for all the hard work.

Great to hear from you again!

Thanks for your appreciation and your compliments about the thread, it means a lot to me that you've taken the time to do so.

Wow, you got to head out with Dennis?! That's such a wonderful opportunity.

You keep swinging that detector in the right places and you'll find your nugget. It will come one day. They definitely have not all been found. Start thinking golden thoughts and know that you'll find one.

All the best,

Lanny
 

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Great to hear from you again!

Thanks for your appreciation and your compliments about the thread, it means a lot to me that you've taken the time to do so.

Wow, you got to head out with Dennis?! That's such a wonderful opportunity.

You keep swinging that detector in the right places and you'll find your nugget. It will come one day. They definitely have not all been found. Start thinking golden thoughts and know that you'll find one.

All the best,

Lanny
A very lucky guy!! I'd love an opportunity to spend a day with Dennis, Trinityau, Jim H., and you!! (One at a time of course). (lol) There's a couple more tnet members I'd like to learn from also, just can't remember them off hand.

Reminds me of a martial arts movie I watched; The young man arrives at the Budest Temple and tells the Monk that he wants to learn Kung Fu. When asked what style he wants to learn, the young man replies: "I want to be the greatest Kung Fu fighter in the world, SO, I want to learn ALL styles"!! Well, I'd like to be the greatest at metal detecting for gold, so I'd like to learn ALL STYLES of metal detecting. (lol) Oops, add claydiggins to that line-up.
 

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Jim Hemmingway

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Thanks Eagle, most kind.

Jim.
 

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Wow guys. I'm truly flattered. I don't think of myself as being anything special and know guys that have found way more gold than I have with a detector. I was more than happy to work with Garret and try to help him to better understand his machine and hopefully shorten his learning curve. Especially since he is in my area weekly for other reasons, it was just right to offer my assistance.

Thank you all for your kind words. Garret, keep in touch. I will be gone next week, but the following week will be back to normal. If you want to get out again just let me know. Dennis
 

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Thanks Eagle, most kind.

Jim.

Wow guys. I'm truly flattered. I don't think of myself as being anything special and know guys that have found way more gold than I have with a detector. I was more than happy to work with Garret and try to help him to better understand his machine and hopefully shorten his learning curve. Especially since he is in my area weekly for other reasons, it was just right to offer my assistance.

Thank you all for your kind words. Garret, keep in touch. I will be gone next week, but the following week will be back to normal. If you want to get out again just let me know. Dennis
It's not so much about who's found the most gold, as it is about "Who has a firm grasp on the dynamics of operating a metal detector".

Having read most posts from the afore mentioned detectorists, I've come to the conclusion that I could learn a lot more about my machines if I had you guys around for mentors.

Jim Hemmingway, I've been impressed with your silver finds ever since I came across your posts!! IMPDLN, (Dennis), you obviously know what you're doing, as do ClayDiggins and Trinityau. I'm not trying to flatter anyone, just stating what should be obvious to all of your readers.

Thanks to all of you for your fine posts.

Eagle
 

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Well Howdy Gents,
What a fine bunch of information, true stories (horse flys the size of cats and dogs), pictures, wishes, wants, to do's, have done's and need to do again's!
The lust and lore of the gold has not stopped in my absence and that is good! I've a couple places left to return to in Calif someday but not likely any time soon as Texas is keeping me well occupied on a daily basis with good employment and interesting work and good folk to work with.

Lanny I recall in 2010 picking up my tiny sample bottle and noted that it was amazingly heavy for having only about 20% of its volume consumed by my gold. That was a nice feeling as I am certain your bottle felt that way to you!

Jim, it is good to see you are just as kind and generous as always and of course there's a goodly amount of other good folk floating around within the pages of Bedrock & Gold, like nuggets of gold that have found a place to spend some time getting a little rusty and sassy.

I've managed to get my computer back up and running and maybe in better shape than I've ever had it, for a PC that is. Purchased a little gadget that allowed me to clone my perfectly good hard drive so I had a second good hard drive just like it. Then IF the HD in this machine should become infected I can simply swap out the drives and boot the system up with the good drive. But enough of this computer talk and I will get out of the way to preserve the clarity if the ongoing sharing.

With my best regards to all, 63bkpkr

(note: the 70 year mark for me of being on this ball of beautiful dirt we call earth arrives on the 25th of April, looking forward to it!)
 

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Well... hello there to the stranger from Texas!!! :icon_thumleft:

Herb... I hope all is going well for you with the job, although I doubt prospecting gold in Texas would compare to your old stomping grounds in CA.

Yes I'm still trying to take an interest in the forum on occasion, but it is pretty much limited to this particular thread. While I see the obvious need for such, I don't participate anymore with the "which detector is best" discussions, preferring to leave that subject in the capable hands of others with an interest in pursuing those questions.

I prefer the human interest and prospecting-related experiences much as are presented by Lanny and a few friends on this specific thread. I may even participate with a tale or two down the road, but many years of talking technical matters on various forums are probably over for me. I simply have nothing more to say in a general forum format.

So... do you think there is any possibility of returning to CA for a few weeks of vacation prospecting, or is the drive a bit too much to consider? Below... a handsome silver specimen to add a little zest to this post...

Jim.
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Hello Jim,
Good of you to respond! I can appreciate your position with general commenting vs specific detailed conversations/inputs.

I've been in Texas 3 entire months and I've learned it is flat, there are a LOT of snakes here and all it takes to prove that statement is one good Hurricane blow with a push of water inland and they come out in droves and that the people here a truly friendly and I am enjoying my job and the company.

However, I've had several dreams as well as open day dreams about two particular locations in "MY Canyon" in Cali and I'm certain I need to go back to them at least once. Just when is a mystery though from looking at the USGS Water Flow Data for that area it looks like this would be a fine year to take a two week trip into the hills. I would guess that my current employer would not approve of that venture as I do not even have a week's vacation stored up let alone two weeks in the hills plus travel time back and forth and visiting and such. But yes, I do plan to go back in one of these days. I doubt I would drive unless I was moving to another state and I expect to do that one of these days but not to Cali unless the government there goes back into the hands of wise folk who will run the place with honesty & integrity and hopefully that would overflow into the Federal government as well.

Lanny has commented about going to California for some prospecting and of course he would be invited as well as yourself and maybe a few others would like to come along BUT it will be a tough haul in as well as out and anyone attempting said hike needs to be in very good physical condition. I mean like very good.

In three days I turn 70 years of age and I am attempting to keep my physical abilities in good shape so that 70 still does not look like 70 with abilities more like 25 to 35 but with more knowledge, smarts and general sense. I was seriously lacking in smarts and wisdom in those days.

Thank you again for the comments and question and the best of continued success to you.

What a lovely hunk of silver! What would be the rough dimensions of that zest item?
63bkpkr/Herb
 

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Herb… Happy Birthday to you on Friday, and many happy returns at that time. :icon_thumleft:

That silver piece above is a rough triangle approximately 7” by 6” by 6” whereas its thickness varies roughly around 3“. It has a good weight of both native silver and dark ruby silver. I’ve never bothered to estimate the total silver in the rock because I’m not terribly interested and don’t intend to sell it either.

I’ve seen the load you pack and have read your adventures… so I do know that you are not kidding. However… all the fitness activity in the world falls a distant second to plugged coronary arteries.

So while it is nice to be in good shape, an angiogram will soon dispel any notion that 70 can ever be 25 to 35 with respect to the cardiovascular system.

I think it is increasingly important as we age to build ourselves up to a given task over a reasonable period of time. Professional advice will help eliminate unnecessary risk of potential cardiac events while working towards a goal.

Hope you’ll consider posting a bit more regularly Herb, regardless whether you’re getting out prospecting or not. Would not like to see you drift away from this forum as others have over the past few years. All the very best young man… below is a pretty little bit of plate silver to spice up the post.

Jim.
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