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  1. #1
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    Aug 2008
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    Beware Contracts

    Split-the-loot contracts between treasure hunters and property owners are a popular topic with treasure hunters.

    But slow down a minute, and check this out. My new show may be the most important program I've ever done. Because it may save you from a lawsuit. (I was going to say "expensive lawsuit," but I realized that was redundant).

    Here's why you should never (well, hardly ever) use such a contract with a property owner.

    And if you decide to use one anyway, please be aware of the one clause you should NEVER, EVER put into a contract.

    This program is short (under four minutes) and just may save your bacon.

    Go to:

    http://thetreasurecorner.com

    Click the pink button and the show will play on your computer speakers.

    ---Dan Hughes, http://danhughes.net
    ---Dan, http://treasuremanual.com

  2. #2
    us
    Mar 2009
    Noth Central Texas
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    Very informative information and something like this happened to a friend and myself back in the 70's. We knew where an 1850's house was located and with visions of Seated Coins in our heads we asked the land owner for permission to search the property. He was reluctant to let us on his property when my friend told him "If we find anything of valve we will share it with you". This was the deal breaker as he probably figured we must know something he didn't and that was it, permission was not granted.

  3. #3
    us
    Oct 2005
    Northern, Michigan
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    Re: Beware Contracts


    I haven't listened to your message yet but plan to.

    But when it comes to asking permission, the less said the better. We learned that back in the 60's.

    We always try to set it up so there's no time limit. Just whenever. I don't want to hunt the very time I ask unless that's the only option.

    You want, if possible, to hunt when the owner isn't around.

    Years ago I asked to hunt a yard and the lady said sure. She followed me all over the yard and wanted to hold everything I dug. When I was done she took the silver coins, etc., into the house and never even said thanks.

    I've written on this subject several times over the years but I upset some folks so I pretty much keep it to myself now.

    We're treasure hunters, not free yard boys.

    Badger

    "Everything is an anomaly" Michigan Badger

  4. #4

    Mar 2007
    Salinas, CA
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    As ron basically says: The fastest way to get a "no" from any property owner, is to show him a search contract for him to sign. I mean sheesk people, think of it! What would YOU do if a total stranger comes to YOUR door with a contract for you to sign? Doh!

    But these fill-in-the-blank contracts get bandied around on websites and in md'ing books, and newbies think "gee, I guess I need this for asking permission".

    The average person could care less, if you just keep it casual (ie.: "looking for pennies and old buttons", blah blah)
    Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!

  5. #5
    us
    Jan 2008
    NorthWest Ohio
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    I would NEVER sign anything or expect a landowner to sign anything just to metal detect, that is crazy

  6. #6
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    Head Above Water

    Nov 2004
    Lee's Tavern Road
    21 years behind a coil Fisher F70 Bounty Hunter Lone Star Tesoro Tiger Shark
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    Very nice, Dan, I certainly admire your marketing efforts.

    I'm always relieved on the matter of contracts when someone like you spells it out. We so easily succumb to both the lurid and the psuedo learned, especially when it seems a good tactic against the legal system and those pesky land owners. We are all so oriented towards the litigious, that we think we must have such contracts. I agree that is poppycock.

    I have avoided the entire mention of the word treasure for years, for this reason. I am an "independent detectorist" and my hobby is detecting. It says so on my cards. I am never a "treasure hunter"... and indeed, my record of success bears that out.

    Keep it relaxed, people. Make the private land owner your friend. After all, HE owns the property. It is by his good graces that you either detect or not. So treat him like he is a friend, and not a legal entanglement.


    Sign a paper on the other hand and see how messy it can get... if you can get that far.
    You'll get it all. Or you won't.
    Someday, you'll die and leave it behind anyway.
    Act accordingly.

    "All of mans culture, all his achievements, are as nothing without good plumbing"

  7. #7
    us
    You stay classy TreasureNet

    Oct 2006
    West Haven, UT
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    There is a person in my area that does this contract stuff. He does really well and has a nice angle on getting permission. I won't go into detail but he does really well.

  8. #8
    us
    Head Above Water

    Nov 2004
    Lee's Tavern Road
    21 years behind a coil Fisher F70 Bounty Hunter Lone Star Tesoro Tiger Shark
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by pennyfarmer
    There is a person in my area that does this contract stuff. He does really well and has a nice angle on getting permission. I won't go into detail but he does really well.
    Aw, no you dont!
    Now youve tempted us - you gotta spill it. Whats his angle?
    You'll get it all. Or you won't.
    Someday, you'll die and leave it behind anyway.
    Act accordingly.

    "All of mans culture, all his achievements, are as nothing without good plumbing"

  9. #9
    us
    You stay classy TreasureNet

    Oct 2006
    West Haven, UT
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by dahut
    Quote Originally Posted by pennyfarmer
    There is a person in my area that does this contract stuff. He does really well and has a nice angle on getting permission. I won't go into detail but he does really well.
    Aw, no you dont!
    Now youve tempted us - you gotta spill it. Whats his angle?
    All Jewlery and relics go to the home owner free and clear, all tokens go to the hunter free and clear. Modern coins are split at face value, collectible coins are split at ABP of the blackbook. I don't remember his entire contract but that is the core of his pitch.

    If you are more into the relics then you can change it up. In fact you can change it up anyway you think you can get away with. I know he has gotten to hunt yards that are super manicured due to his meticulous hole care and his contract. Many of these places have been some of the oldest in our area.

  10. #10
    us
    Aug 2008
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    Re: Beware Contracts

    Maybe if I start getting a bunch of "no's" .... but most are a, "have at it!" from the owner, so I'd be suprised if it's not that way for everyone. Why use some complicated gimmick? I had to read that paragraph twice to understand, and I can only imagine some home owner being caught off guard and trying to understand the arrangement.

 

 

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