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  1. #1
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    Apr 2010
    West Michigan
    White's M6
    35

    A metal detecting horror story!

    I just recently talked to an old MD'ing friend whom I hadn't seen in several years. While we were catching up, I mentioned that I was getting back into MD'ing after a long break. He told me he didn't hunt anymore - of course, I asked why, as this guy was definitely a MD'ing fanatic when I knew him years ago. After I heard his story, I almost had second thoughts about getting back into the hobby!

    About two years ago, he was out in the local state forest - public land - searching an old canoe-launching site along the river. It was just upstream from a still-active launch ramp, but this one doesn't get used much anymore. After finding about five pounds of lead fishing sinkers and a few clad Lincolns, he was just about to give up when he heard someone yell "HEY!" He turned around to see an older guy about ten feet away with a shotgun. He quickly took off his headphones and said "Hi." The guy said "you're trespassing," to which my friend replied that he wasn't and this was part of the state forest. I know - arguing with a shotgun-wielding hillbilly might not be the best idea. The guy said, "this is MY property, and you are gonna leave." The shotgun was never pointed at my friend, but he realized that he'd rather comply than take a chance. He said, "alright, I'll go," and started to walk away. At this point, the guy said "leave the stuff here!" "What?" My friend said, shocked. The guy said, "I said, drop your stuff and get off my property!" My friend quickly realized that, trespassing or not, he was being robbed. He set down his detector and backed away slowly. "Now get out!" the guy said. My friend got out as quick as he could.

    As soon as he got to the main road, he called 911. He told them that he had just been robbed by a guy with a gun. They asked the usual questions, was he alright, did he know the person, could he describe him, where the incident occurred. My friend asked that an officer meet him at a gas station down the road, rather than at home (which was about 1/2 an hour away). About an hour later, a sheriff showed up. My friend told him the whole story, and when he got to the part about being accused of trespassing, the officer said, "WERE you trespassing?" My friend said no, and he could produce the plat maps to prove it. The cop apparently didn't believe him, and told him that if he was trespassing, the owner had the RIGHT make him leave immediately, without his equipment! My friend didn't believe this, but he just repeated that he wasn't trespassing. The cop took notes and left, saying they'd get back to my friend in a day or so. They never contacted him.

    About a week later, he finally called the sheriff's department. They had no record of his report, and to make matters worse, they also said that if he was trespassing, he was lucky he didn't spend the night in jail or worse! They didn't even care when he said he could prove he wasn't trespassing. My friend was so upset by all of this that he decided to forget about it and give up MD'ing. Heck, if that happened to me, I'd probably do the same!

  2. #2
    BIG61AL

    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    So they can make you leave your personal property on their property? Are you supposed to drop your wallet, watch and wedding ring too. Cops are stupid. Your friend should complain to his state Representative that the police told him the man robbing him on state property had a legal right to keep his stolen items. One more reason for me to not like cops. Oh yeah, my dad was a cop so I am very familiar what thieves and liars and how stupid they are.

  3. #3
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    Yeah, I'm sorry but folks are getting a bit strange up there.
    That state is in deep sh#!
    Was this near Muskegon?
    .
    PM me if your friend is interested in getting back into the hobby with a little help.

    Mike

  4. #4
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    Jan 2010
    Camano Island, Wa
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    If that happened to me the fella would be looking down the barrel of a .45 Beretta first chance I got.

    And yes, I would shoot him if he forced my hand.

    I carry a .45 when MD'ing in public spaces.

    The way the cop treated your friend was BS!

    I would have called the local news and anyone else I could think of.

    Jim on Camano


  5. #5
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    Jan 2009
    Houston, Texas
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    Could all be a fairy tale the guy is spinning to you, but if it is for real ---
    That guy needed to contact the state police .... sounds like a local scam, especially if that really was public land.

    It will be up to them to investigate, and he needs to file FELONY Armed Robbery and Assault Charges with State Police, "naming the local police department as participants in an armed robbery ring". Start by arresting the local police force as part of the problem! Happens all the time, especially when these guys turn out to be relatives. Paperwork kind of dissapears, but police dispatch records, and records of office meetings do not! Tell the State Police to FIND HIS REPORT! That alone is a FELONY, and can be substantiated by anyone that he saw there or along the way that day, motel receipts, credit card charges, stopping for food, anything to prove he was there, making that initial theft report.

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    ANY TIME YOU DEAL WITH POLICE, GET THE CASE NUMBER AT TIME OF INITIAL REPORT.
    Otherwise, it is lost in the system, just like this.
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    Otherwise, detector shows up in pawn shop and they deny everything, claiming he was the one who sold it. Little phrases like "Let me see the security camera footage for that day" or "Let me see your pawn receipt book" usually settles that argument in a hurry. Especially when it comes from State Police Investigation. Pawn shop owner goes to jail and looses license if he does not cooperate! Little thing called possesing stolen merchandise and fencing it.

    If that guy does actually own property around there, it should not be too hard for police to find him. They do not want to find him for some reason. Old country boy idea "Possesion is nine-tenths of the law", replaced with "Assume the position, you are under arrest".

  6. #6
    us
    Jul 2005
    N Louisiana
    Ace 250
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    Good reason to have a cell phone with a camera on it. I'm sure he knew he was being hussled when he was told to drop his equipment. Would the guy have shot him? Probably not, but he didn't know. Best to do what he did... leave. But I'd have been tempted to leave WITH my equipment. Good time to mark your equipment before you go to such places so it's traceable, at least in the pawn shops. Those thieves can only use so many MDs. Then they have to sell or pawn them. Good ole backwoods, countryboy justice. Next time, don't be so congenial. Stare 'em down with a blank look and pretend to be deaf!
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  7. #7
    us
    Apr 2010
    West Michigan
    White's M6
    35

    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    Believe me guys, this scared me too. I'm going to try and get a hold of my friend again and see if he's willing to take any of your suggestions to heart. It was awful to see one of the guys who first introduced me to the hobby give it up, but I really can't blame him after his experience! He's not one to tell "tall tales," so I'm inclined to believe his story.

    I told my dad the story, and he said it sounded similar to something he heard years ago about why you SHOULDN'T go fishing near that particular public access point on the river - apparently, there's a guy who owns property NEAR there, but thinks that it all belongs to him! My dad remembered a story he heard about two guys who were forced AT GUNPOINT to leave their fishing rods and tackle boxes and "get out!" Sounds familiar! My dad believes that this is the same guy who, in the 1970s, was known to tape sticks of dynamite to a tree and shoot at them - don't know about that story, but if there's an ounce of truth to it and it IS the same guy who seems to be making a living out of ARMED ROBBERY, it sounds like he's certifiably insane!

    Quote Originally Posted by 4-H
    Yeah, I'm sorry but folks are getting a bit strange up there.
    That state is in deep sh#!
    Was this near Muskegon?
    Tell me. I can find out very easy who this punk was.
    PM me if your friend is interested in getting back into the hobby with a little help.

    Mike
    Mike, funny you should mention that...from what I understand, it was actually in Oceana County, just north of the Muskegon County line. If my friend's description is correct, he was in an area known as Sischo Bayou (as I know it).

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    shhh...the person who posted above me just farted but wont see this since you scrolled down.

    Dec 2009
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    I wouldn't have left my detector. He can have the hooks and weights.
    Our hobby is in desperate need of a martyr.
    When detectors are outlawed, only outlaws will have detectors

  9. #9
    us
    Nov 2005
    Round Rock, Texas
    Ace250 / Cibola
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    Id go back an take a friend to hide in the bush. Rob him back.

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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye P
    Believe me guys, this scared me too. I'm going to try and get a hold of my friend again and see if he's willing to take any of your suggestions to heart. It was awful to see one of the guys who first introduced me to the hobby give it up, but I really can't blame him after his experience! He's not one to tell "tall tales," so I'm inclined to believe his story.

    I told my dad the story, and he said it sounded similar to something he heard years ago about why you SHOULDN'T go fishing near that particular public access point on the river - apparently, there's a guy who owns property NEAR there, but thinks that it all belongs to him! My dad remembered a story he heard about two guys who were forced AT GUNPOINT to leave their fishing rods and tackle boxes and "get out!" Sounds familiar! My dad believes that this is the same guy who, in the 1970s, was known to tape sticks of dynamite to a tree and shoot at them - don't know about that story, but if there's an ounce of truth to it and it IS the same guy who seems to be making a living out of ARMED ROBBERY, it sounds like he's certifiably insane!

    Quote Originally Posted by 4-H
    Yeah, I'm sorry but folks are getting a bit strange up there.
    That state is in deep sh#!
    Was this near Muskegon?
    Tell me. I can find out very easy who this punk was.
    PM me if your friend is interested in getting back into the hobby with a little help.

    Mike
    Mike, funny you should mention that...from what I understand, it was actually in Oceana County, just north of the Muskegon County line. If my friend's description is correct, he was in an area known as Sischo Bayou (as I know it).
    well, that explains that. A lot of crime near that area. gotta go just a little bit further north to get away from the creepies

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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    I would have hired myself a lawyer....big advantage to a legal law plan through work..... It doesn't sound right at all, no report filed by officer, why?




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  12. #12
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    Nov 2009
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    I would take the chance of him shooting me because i would have walked out carrying my detector. I am not just going to give my stuff up I worked hard to get things and by god I am going to put up a fight to keep them.

  13. #13
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    May 2006
    Green Mountains of Vermont
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    It sounds like the movie Deliverence. I would have turned my back and walked but I wouldn't have given up my ace 250. If he was hanging in the area than he probably lives near by and would be quite easy to locate. If so it would be bad news for him. I had a state trooper tell me that he had a complanit about me looking a area. I told him who the land owner was and that he gave me permission. He told me to leave the site until he could contact the parties to determine who owned the land and he would get back to me. Months went by and I heard nothing. I then went to the land owner to find out what the out come was. He told me that nobody approached him about it and showed me where his land starts and ends. He said I can still detect it and to send anyone to him that has a problem with it. Seems funny I showed the state trooper where the land owner lived and he never follow up on it.
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  14. #14
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    Jul 2005
    N Louisiana
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    I own land that I allow people to hunt on, but I give each one of them a laminated card at the beginning of hunting season that shows they have permission to be on the land. Maybe we need to start following that idea. If you have permission to detect on private land, go home, type up a permission ID, have the landowner sign it, and take it and have it laminated. Small insurance and shuts the county blowhards up. No need to wait for them to go "get permission" for you to do what you've already had permission to do. All my "hunters" have them. - Noodle
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  15. #15
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    Mar 2008
    Boise, Idaho
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    Re: A metal detecting horror story!

    I'm with frank1960..If the Iraqis didn't get me in Desert Storm (And they tried), some wacko in the woods would have his job cut out for him. Nobody gets my detector. Niffler

 

 
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