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  1. #16
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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ILLINOISDOUG
    Thats interesting that you dont use the pinpointing feature. DFX pinpoints on the spot. I think I only knicked one coin and that was laziness on my part. So does anyone have any experience with pinpointing with the stock coil or WOT?

    Another question. The EXPII comes with a rechargable NIMH battery. How long will the charge last? Does it allow the use of alkaline for backup in the field? The DFX has two packs...one thats rechargable and one that can be loaded up with AA's.
    Well let's put it this way... I have pinpointed a few coins almost dead-on with the stock Explorer coil, and I"ve used both methods. (1.) the 'sneaking up' method, where you back off the signal and then edge up to it with the toe of the coil, and (2.) the actual pinpoint function, where the coin will be pretty much at the center of the coil. Method 1 is no good if there are nearby targets. Either way, I just feel I can't rely too much on pinpointing with the stock coil. There's too much of a chance I'll run my stainless steel digging tool right across the face of a good coin. Already done it on quite a few clads.

    Batteries... when I bought my Explorer used, it actually only had AA packs, no rechargeable. The AA's last a while, maybe not quite as long as they do in my Tejon, but you can get a couple trips out of 'em. The thing makes a weird, low series of tones when it's running out of juice.

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Thanks BSCO, just the information I was looking for. I have never dug a 10" deep hole for a coin. I did hit an indian at a solid 8.5 inches and had no problem pinpointing and digging a fairly tight plug to retrieve it.

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Thanks Rusted

    Think I'll get the EXPII, but I'll keep the DFX along with it. Can't hurt to have an extra detector around. This way I can get some side by side comparisons too

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ILLINOISDOUG
    Thanks BSCO, just the information I was looking for. I have never dug a 10" deep hole for a coin. I did hit an indian at a solid 8.5 inches and had no problem pinpointing and digging a fairly tight plug to retrieve it.
    My plugs are always huge, haha, like 8" in diameter because I want to make sure I get around the coin and not into it.

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ILLINOISDOUG
    Thanks Rusted

    Think I'll get the EXPII, but I'll keep the DFX along with it. Can't hurt to have an extra detector around. This way I can get some side by side comparisons too
    That's a great idea! Each machine has it's positives and negatives for each type of area that you are hunting.

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    One more thing then I'm off to sleep... I checked out Charles' website and he has a great section on pinpointing with the stock Explorer coil, go to
    http://www.detectorgear.com/pagetip1.htm
    and scroll down to the bottom. He explains it quite nicely.

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  7. #22

    Jun 2006
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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    I wanted to get the Sunray but was too impatient to send my machine out to Minelab to get the probe installed. I have a Treasure Mate on the way, which should be cool because I can use it with my other detectors too. Oh well, no tone ID.
    Buy an extra upper shaft from Sunray and have them attach the probe to that, the cost is minimal and this way you can continue to hunt until the probe is delivered. Also you can remove the probe for beach/lake hunting.

    I second what others are saying. I consider the X1 probe manadatory equipment like headphones. Buy one before you buy anything else. DON'T do a me and stubornly refuse to buy a probe, you WILL recover more good targets per hour with the probe and you WILL take a chance on an iffy signal more often (and be rewarded) knowing you can dig a quick plug, check with the probe, and move on quickly verses spending 15 minutes chasing some nail or trash target off to the side of the hole. You will also avoid slicing the deep sivler coins up with your digger and giving up on deep targets that go silent after you dig a plug. I once dug a 1887 IH, went in with the probe and thought I heard a whisper of something else. Swept the hole with the big coil, nothing. Almost filled the hole in and moved on but that X1 was talking to me. I dug another 4 inches deeper and bang out popped another 1887 IH and a XF-AU 1886 seated dime!

    Charles

  8. #23

    Jun 2006
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    ML Explorer
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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Either way, I just feel I can't rely too much on pinpointing with the stock coil.
    Today I can pinpoint with the stock coil blindfolded but the first few months I wanted to fling the stock coil frizzbie style into the woods due to pinpointing frustration. The best advice I can give really is that once you think you got a target pinpointed, then check a 20 inch circle around the target for other nearby targets, especially near surface targets that can be picked up off the edge of the Explorer coil from several inches away. At times you will find what appeared to be a deeper coin is really a shallow coin off to the side. OR there is a deeper coin but its being masked slightly by a nearby shallow coin or trash target.

    Don't be afraid to raise your coil several inches off the ground when pinpointing. Its a way to confirm a deep target is deep as the signal will vanish with the coil raised just a couple inches. Its also helpful on near surface targets which can pollute a 15 inch diameter area of ground and are damn near impossible to pinpoint with the coil right on top of them. Be advised, while the center of the DD coil is the hot zone DD coils can and will pick up near surface targets on the left and right edges of the coils. You can get a good 2 inches of depth there. Hence the reason to scan the surounding area and know where things are in relation to your target of interest before you dig.

    Also, if you think you hear coin but there is a shallow trash target polluting the area dig that trash out of the way first. I'm finding a LOT of deep coins this way. Why dig the trash? Because the trash target can pull your pinpoint off center leading to slicing up a nice deep coin.

    Pinpoint mode...I find pinpoint mode useless for hunting deep targets. You lose depth in pinpoint mode often to the point the signal vanishes. On the other hand a neat trick is to use pinpoint mode with the X1 probe at times. The X1 is a hot probe, easily gets 3 inches. The problem can be when your coin is stuck in the side of the hole or right in the bottom and the probe is picking the coin up so strong you can't pinpoint with it. Switch to pinpoint mode, it detunes the probe and presto you can zoom right in on the coin.

    Charles

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Sounds like pinpointing is a pain with the EXPII stock coil. With the DFX, I just pinpoint and its there. The deeper the target, the easier it is to pinpoint. I am not going to let this discourage me though

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Charles, thanks for the great info. I have also envisioned that stock coil as a frisbee at times

    Illinoisdoug, if you hang onto your DFX you could always double check your signals with it. If something registers on the ML but not the DFX you know it's deeper than, say, 7 to 9 inches.

    I have a 5.5" Sunray coil on the way for my ML and figure it should help me out in a couple sites where I otherwise can't use this detector because I can't separate the targets. Once I pinpoint & dig the shallow trash of the way, I can come back with the stock coil. I know there has to be coins there, because no other detectorist would go near that high trash area.

    I may eventually get the X1 probe, now that I know I can get it attached to a spare upper rod without sending the machine out


  11. #26
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    Aug 2005
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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    I ordered my probe that way and it was definately painless. No lost time at all, Just switch upper shafts when it comes in and you are set for much easier hunting. The pinpointing thing is only a pain till you get the hang of it. Don't let that discourage you from buying the machine. Once you get the hang of it, it is second nature and you start getting very accurate with it. I don't miss the center very often any more. I use a 4" X 15" plug cutter and the target most always ends up in the center of the plug. The WOT is definately worthwhile also. Much deeper capability and it isn't any heavier than the 10.5. I pretty much use it and the 8" only nowdays.

    Of course I just repeated some of what was already said, just more confirmation to help with your decision I hope.

  12. #27

    Jun 2006
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    ML Explorer
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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ILLINOISDOUG
    Sounds like pinpointing is a pain with the EXPII stock coil. With the DFX, I just pinpoint and its there. The deeper the target, the easier it is to pinpoint. I am not going to let this discourage me though
    There used to be a bunch of DFX machines in my area, most of the time they couldn't even get a signal on deep targets I was finding let alone pinpoint them so thats the catch 22. I'm not bashing the machine it has many great features but for hunting the deep targets the Explorers go deeper in our area.

    Charles

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    With the minelabs, there's no target id meter or depth reading, Right? I tried a friends Excalibur and it has to be swept slooowww. With the DFX, sweeping fast or slow is the same. The DFX can cover a lot more ground in a shorter time. and it pinpoints dead on. With the Excalibur even in pinpoint mode, it seemed to be off the mark quite a bit.

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    Quote Originally Posted by midas777gold
    With the minelabs, there's no target id meter or depth reading, Right? I tried a friends Excalibur and it has to be swept slooowww. With the DFX, sweeping fast or slow is the same. The DFX can cover a lot more ground in a shorter time. and it pinpoints dead on. With the Excalibur even in pinpoint mode, it seemed to be off the mark quite a bit.
    The excalibur is a water machine and has no target id meter because of this. We are speaking about the Explorer, and yes it does have a target id screen and depth meter.

    With the 15" WOT coil on the explorer you can cover ground just as fast as any DFX user. But the difference is that with the explorer we often hear more iffy signals and generally will take the time to stop and investigate these signals, whereas the free swinging DFX user will run right past them.

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    Re: Thinking about trading the DFX for a ExpII....any opinions?

    I generally don't cover much area...I move extremely slow when detecting...I am sure when I get the funds together I'll by the Explorer. I will keep the DFX for awhile....Just in case...Thanks for the information

 

 
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