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    St.Augustine Florida bans metal detectors

    For all of those people saying, that metal detecting is not under threat guess what.

    City expands limits on performers, vendors | StAugustine.com

    According to this article you now have to get a permit through the city archaeologist to be able to metal detect in St. Augustine Florida. How long before other areas take on this same ruling?

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    How long? Not long. Jealous archaeologists are using their credentials to get this done in LOTS of places.
    The biggest reason? These TV shows.

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    It just makes me laugh that people want to turn a blind eye and claim we are over reacting to a non-existent threat. It's real, and this is only the first of many I am sure.
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    They did not actually ban it...they just require a permit to do it on public land. Depending on if there is a fee and what the actual requirements are I don't have a problem with this. If there is no cost and there are no restrictions other then reporting your finds I think it is okay and would help the local archeological community. With that being said if they use the information collected to start closing sites to detecting then I have a problem with it.

    This does not affect detecting on private property in anyway.

    Is there anyone in the area that could post the actual permit requirements?

    NJ

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    Actual permit requirements would be nice to know, but having to go through the city archaeologist could mean problems depending on his stance on metal detecting.

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    Here is the wording of the actual code.

    Sec. 6-7. - Excavations on public property.
    No individual shall be allowed to use a probe, metal detector or any other device to search or excavate for artifacts on public property, nor can any individual remove artifacts from public property without the written permission of the city. Furthermore, no disturbances or construction activities shall be authorized within properties belonging to the city, including public streets and rights-of-way, without a city right-of-way permit and without such archaeology efforts as may be addressed by this chapter. Any proposed archaeological work and delays relative to a disturbance or construction work shall be in accordance with provisions of this chapter relative to major and minor disturbances in Archaeological Zones I, II and III.
    (Code 1964, 5-7)

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    That is pretty vague. I would rather see a spelled out permit process. This is just too open for the city to just say no so it does not have to deal with the hassle. Most government works want to do the least amount of work possible so the no answer is the easy way out.

    I've worked with many archeologists and most in my area are completely open to the detecting community. I've run joint lectures with them and have worked side by side at many sites. They have gotten me into place that I would normally get arrested for detecting. I even lend them some of my what are they finds for them to research and/or date. For me it has been a very rewarding give and take relationship.

    NJ

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    Someone needs to call and see if the ordnance applies to the beach, if they say it applies to the beach that would mean kids are no longer allowed to dig on the beach either, because of saint augustine's history the ordnance may only apply inside the city and not to beaches.




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    From what I was reading, it sounds like the beach is with in city limits. Of course I can not confirm.

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    The link I posted above suggest that the beach is included in the city limits. This link has been updated to explain there is a St. Augustine, Florida, and a St. Augustine beach, Florida.

    So sounds like the beach is not included in the ordinance, they talked to someone official over there that assured the beaches are still open.
    Last edited by Twisted One; Mar 28, 2012 at 04:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treasure_Hunter View Post
    Someone needs to call and see if the ordnance applies to the beach, if they say it applies to the beach that would mean kids are no longer allowed to dig on the beach either, because of saint augustine's history the ordnance may only apply inside the city and not to beaches.
    Does the city even have a beach? I think the only beach within city limits (excluding the intracoastal) is Anastasia State Park which extends ti the inlet and north of that (Villano beach) is not city property.

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    Here is another map of St. Augistine City Limits, diggummup is correct, only beach is infact Anastasia State Park..


    St Augustine CityLimits.pdf

    Considering the history of St. Augustine I can understand why they outllawed it....



    15 Oldest Cities in United States..


    1) Saint Augustine, Florida
    • Year of Founding: 1565

    1) Jamestown, Virginia
    • Year of Founding: 1607

    2) Santa Fe, New Mexico
    • Year of Founding: 1607

    3) Hampton, Virginia
    • Year of Founding: 1610

    4) Kecoughtan, Virginia
    • Year of Founding: 1610

    5) Newport News, Virginia
    • Year of Founding: 1613

    6) Albany, New York
    • Year of Founding: 1614

    7) Jersey City, New Jersey
    • Year of Founding: 1617

    8) Plymouth, Massachusetts
    • Year of Founding: 1620

    9) Weymouth, Massachusetts
    • Year of Founding: 1622

    10) Dover, New Hampshire
    • Year of Founding: 1623

    11) Gloucester, Massachusetts
    • Year of Founding: 1623

    12) New Amsterdam, New York
    • Year of Founding: 1625

    13) Salem, Massachusetts
    • Year of Founding: 1626

    14) Lynn, Massachusetts
    • Year of Founding: 1629

    15) Charleston, Massachusetts
    • Year of Founding: 1629
    Last edited by Treasure_Hunter; Mar 28, 2012 at 06:46 PM.




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    A little late to the thread and everything has been hammered out. The Beach is OK. Anastasia State Park is unique. It depends on the day and who to talk to. Depending on the ranger on duty, I've been told detecting is not allowed; detecting is only allowed from the dune to the high tide line; detecting is only allowed in the intertidal zone; and detecting is only allowed in the water. One can still dig on private property. And you can forget about any permit. Carl Halbirt (city archaeologist) controls the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diver_Down View Post
    And you can forget about any permit. Carl Halbirt (city archaeologist) controls the city.
    Thanks for filling us in on the details, this last statement you made is the one I think will be the biggest problem with that system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted One View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Diver_Down View Post
    And you can forget about any permit. Carl Halbirt (city archaeologist) controls the city.
    Thanks for filling us in on the details, this last statement you made is the one I think will be the biggest problem with that system.
    From our vantage point, indeed. Everyone else just kowtows to Carl. An earlier poster mentioned the impact of Reality Shows such as Diggers. Indeed, they didn't receive a warm welcome when they came to town recently, but what has had a larger impact in my opinion was a recent newspaper article featuring a local resident. This person went about flouting his finds including his claim that he's found the famous Matanzas Massacre site. He had gone so far as having his photo taken with the Matanzas National Monument (beach side) in the background. Of course this charged the current climate, while the recent t.v. shows just added fuel to the fire. An FYI: The Massacre site is NOT where the current National Monument is.

 

 
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