Can you help me pick a new Tesoro?

[Cycluran]

My Sabre II is gettin' a little long in the Sabre tooth. I love my Silver Sabre II, but I just sold my only other machine (Minelab) and need a new primary or back-up. I primarily hunt for coins and relics in Non-motion/All Metal and reverse discriminate on certain targets. I like to hear those faint deep signals that DISC mode can miss. I've narrowed it down to the Outlaw, the Lobo, and the Tejon.

The Outlaw worries me because of the single 9-volt battery. I doubt its power, though its features seem perfect for me.
The Lobo is a motion machine, but seems to have a reputation for impressive depth and I like its configuration.
The Tejon is designed for relic hunting and, if I heard right, the DISC knob can be clicked to the left, putting the machine in a non-motion/all metal setting.
Which one will pull the deepest Minnie?

 

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[Cycluran]

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[Fletch88]

The Tejon is an awesome machine for what you're wanting and very deep. Dual disc is great to be able to set lower one in AM and upper disc wherever you like. The quick flip of the toggle switch allows you to check target without thumbing a knob. Pinpoint is also on same toggle switch and as all Tesoro are it's spot on! Cannot comment on the Outlaw since I've never use one. Tejon uses 8 AA batteries so use just slightly heavier than Outlaw, but still very light compared to the ML you sold.

 

[Ronzie]

I love my Outlaw and don't worry about the single 9 volt battery as it's all it needs. 3 coils, shafts and coil covers included is really great and was a factor in my decision. I'm also looking at getting a Tejon maybe next year.
Super light and I could swing it for hours on end.
The Tejon is a deeper machine but the Outlaw is no slouch either.

 

[G.A.P.metal]

My Sabre II is gettin' a little long in the Sabre tooth. I love my Silver Sabre II, but I just sold my only other machine (Minelab) and need a new primary or back-up. I primarily hunt for coins and relics in Non-motion/All Metal and reverse discriminate on certain targets. I like to hear those faint deep signals that DISC mode can miss. I've narrowed it down to the Outlaw, the Lobo, and the Tejon.

The Outlaw worries me because of the single 9-volt battery. I doubt its power, though its features seem perfect for me.
The Lobo is a motion machine, but seems to have a reputation for impressive depth and I like its configuration.
The Tejon is designed for relic hunting and, if I heard right, the DISC knob can be clicked to the left, putting the machine in a non-motion/all metal setting.
Which one will pull the deepest Minnie?

1, AA-D sized battery =1.5 volts and 4= 6 volts so what are you worried about with 9 volts... please tell me ?
Gary

 

[Cycluran]

Thanks, Fletch88!

The Tejon is an awesome machine for what you're wanting and very deep. Dual disc is great to be able to set lower one in AM and upper disc wherever you like. The quick flip of the toggle switch allows you to check target without thumbing a knob. Pinpoint is also on same toggle switch and as all Tesoro are it's spot on! Cannot comment on the Outlaw since I've never use one. Tejon uses 8 AA batteries so use just slightly heavier than Outlaw, but still very light compared to the ML you sold.

 

[Cycluran]

Thanks, Ronzie. Some of the areas I go back and hunt now don't produce the shallow items anymore. My Minelab sometimes had to reach nearly 2 feet for a Minnie Ball. Depth is definitely a priority factor here.

I love my Outlaw and don't worry about the single 9 volt battery as it's all it needs. 3 coils, shafts and coil covers included is really great and was a factor in my decision. I'm also looking at getting a Tejon maybe next year.
Super light and I could swing it for hours on end.
The Tejon is a deeper machine but the Outlaw is no slouch either.

 

[beerguy]

1, AA-D sized battery =1.5 volts and 4= 6 volts so what are you worried about with 9 volts... please tell me ?
Gary

When evaluating power, it is Watts that you want to compare. When comparing battery strings, you want to look at Watt- hours (Wh).

Here are some amp-hour rating taken from the web, not sure if they are correct, but they sound close:
AAA- 1150mAh
AA- 2850mAh
9v- 595mAh

So a 9 volt battery will give you (9 x .595) = 5.355 Wh
4 x AA's in series gives you (6 x 1.15) = 6.9 Wh

 

[Sandman]

I have a Tejon and it is extremely deep on not just relics but coins. I set first disc at just under pull tab and the second disc in above. It is still light weight compared to many detectors and don't worry about the batteries.
http://www.losttreasure.com/content/archives/tesoro-electronics-tejon

 

[Cycluran]

The batteries' specific output is plain to see, yes. How the machine uses that power is another matter.

1, AA-D sized battery =1.5 volts and 4= 6 volts so what are you worried about with 9 volts... please tell me ?
Gary

 

[Fletch88]

Just out if curiosity if the Minelab was picking minnies at 2 feet, why did you sell it?

 

[Cycluran]

Just out if curiosity if the Minelab was picking minnies at 2 feet, why did you sell it?

'Definitely had its perks, but it wasn't the ideal machine for me, mainly because I am an avid relic hunter with a knack for sniffing out deep artillery. The Sovereign GT, by design, refuses to signal on iron in DISC mode, and the ALL Metal mode is a nonstop bouncy signal of high-pitch moans and squeals. I, like many others with this machine, opted to hunt in ALL METAL/PINPOINT, compromising ground balance, and was able to achieve amazing depth on targets like Minnies that my buddy's Arado missed. I almost exclusively hunt in this mode and pay attention to the slightest variances in threshold, switching to DISC to better identify items I've targeted. Here's my issue:
1. The configuration of this machine requires that I raise up and switch to DISC with my "shovel" hand at almost every promising signal; then switch back.
2. The machine is loud. Even on small targets, with the gain turned down, it yells "WWOWW!!!!" at most targets. I try to keep quiet and blend into nature on the hunt.
3. It's heavy. I often hunt all day and the only thing that gives me grief about it (other than the Mrs.) is my right arm.
4. I carry my gear in a long backpack from the car to the sites I hunt. To fit in the pack, the minelab has to be broken down into 4 pieces to fit safely, handle, stem, coil, box. The Tesoro, with the cable fixed to the bottom stem, fits fine when broken down into upper and lower pieces = easy to reconnect and go.
5. The brain box is mounted with plastic catches and a quick-release. These have started to "jiggle" a bit and are progressively loosening. Also, twice in the last two years, a branch, sapling, or vine has bumped its trigger release, causing the box to freely swing from the rod by its cable. Not good. Not even once is acceptable to me.

All this said, one other fact remains, better than 90% of the treasures I have recovered in the last 20 years saw the light of day again thanks to my trusty Tesoro Silver Sabre II.

 

[x#1]

1, AA-D sized battery =1.5 volts and 4= 6 volts so what are you worried about with 9 volts... please tell me ?
Gary

kind of what i am thinking.tesoro designs their detectors to run off of a single 9 volt so imho,tesoro knows best. my cibola uses a single 9 volt and although i carry a spare,i've never been let down by a depleted battery.

stick w/a tesoro and keep that LIFETIME warranty plus have that depth you desire.

 

[Cycluran]

Honestly, my feelings on the single 9v power plant are a reflection of my years of hunting with relatively heavy, multi-battery machines, like my old Whites and Minelabs, all of which were deep-seekers. There's not any study involved, I'm just a detectorist with a history-based comfort zone. I'm sure the ultra lights do just fine.

kind of what i am thinking.tesoro designs their detectors to run off of a single 9 volt so imho,tesoro knows best. my cibola uses a single 9 volt and although i carry a spare,i've never been let down by a depleted battery.

stick w/a tesoro and keep that LIFETIME warranty-

 

[RobRieman]

It's very simple. Today's electronic circuits do not use the power the old ones did. It just doesn't need it anymore.

 

[Fletch88]

'Definitely had its perks, but it wasn't the ideal machine for me, mainly because I am an avid relic hunter with a knack for sniffing out deep artillery. The Sovereign GT, by design, refuses to signal on iron in DISC mode, and the ALL Metal mode is a nonstop bouncy signal of high-pitch moans and squeals. I, like many others with this machine, opted to hunt in ALL METAL/PINPOINT, compromising ground balance, and was able to achieve amazing depth on targets like Minnies that my buddy's Arado missed. I almost exclusively hunt in this mode and pay attention to the slightest variances in threshold, switching to DISC to better identify items I've targeted. Here's my issue:
1. The configuration of this machine requires that I raise up and switch to DISC with my "shovel" hand at almost every promising signal; then switch back.
2. The machine is loud. Even on small targets, with the gain turned down, it yells "WWOWW!!!!" at most targets. I try to keep quiet and blend into nature on the hunt.
3. It's heavy. I often hunt all day and the only thing that gives me grief about it (other than the Mrs.) is my right arm.
4. I carry my gear in a long backpack from the car to the sites I hunt. To fit in the pack, the minelab has to be broken down into 4 pieces to fit safely, handle, stem, coil, box. The Tesoro, with the cable fixed to the bottom stem, fits fine when broken down into upper and lower pieces = easy to reconnect and go.
5. The brain box is mounted with plastic catches and a quick-release. These have started to "jiggle" a bit and are progressively loosening. Also, twice in the last two years, a branch, sapling, or vine has bumped its trigger release, causing the box to freely swing from the rod by its cable. Not good. Not even once is acceptable to me.

All this said, one other fact remains, better than 90% of the treasures I have recovered in the last 20 years saw the light of day again thanks to my trusty Tesoro Silver Sabre II.

Without a doubt you need a Tejon then. Its lightweight and easy to break down and pack. I have a GT also and only use it in disc mode on wet sand at beach I've tried using AM and it's just too much noise for me to listen to. I'm told its an awesome relic machine though I've never used it for that purpose. Good luck with your decision.

 

[myrtlebeach]

I bought 2 Outlaws, my wife doesn't like hers, she wants a digital display so hers is on ebay and will end Tuesday at about 530pm.
Here is a link to it.
Tesoro Outlaw Metal Detector with 2 Coils and Covers | eBay

 

[Cycluran]

Thanks myrtlebeach!

I bought 2 Outlaws, my wife doesn't like hers, she wants a digital display so hers is on ebay and will end Tuesday at about 530pm.
Here is a link to it.
Tesoro Outlaw Metal Detector with 2 Coils and Covers | eBay