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  1. #16
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    I do see both side of the question responses. Right at this moment, the voting is 6 against and 4 for.

    As you can imagine, I got a side of me which is in favor of hitting it. And then there is that side which is horrified at the thought.

    Won't be hitting it anytime soon. I do have the lust, but I also have the reverence.
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    It's been a subject debated for ages with good arguments on both sides. Take the people who have excavated various tombs around the world, including King Tut......archies or grave robbers? And we aren't even talking about digging up somebodies remains.....just surface finds from visitors. Unless it's forbidden at a particular site, I see it as a personal choice. I respect that decision either way.
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    Cuda, I won't be hitting there this week, maybe next. I won't go on the graves.

    A whole lot to think about on this. Faced right now on the "right thing to do"
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    Deep, my two cents is not in a graveyard. Outside is ok, but most here in Missouri have a fence around them, if nothing else, just to keep out cattle. It sounds like back where you are they, or most of them, are NOT fenced.
    In Northwest Iowa an original surveyor died while in the field. The crew buried him and pulled ties (noted distances from a describable object) to the grave from a section corner. The next year the crew brought back a headstone. 100 years later the farmer that owned the land had pulled said headstone and moved it to the fence line and planted corn over the guy. Do what your heart tells you. Good luck.

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    This is a decision only you can make. Personally, i have no problem hitting a place such as you describe. For those who consider this offensive yet relic hunt battle fields consider this... they are both grave yards. The difference is one has head stones where the other does not.
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    Loved ones have left things on gravestones in memory of the dead,
    I would not want to be the person to take those
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    I live in a very old area where there are many churches going back to the early 1700s. Many of these churches have ancient graves right on the church grounds. When I began hunting in 1970 I went to many of these old churches and asked permission to hunt the church grounds. EVERY pastor or minister (no early Catholic churches here) told me to hunt away, have fun, and said the grave area was OK to hunt around in too since they knew I was only looking for old coins and artifacts and that my detector would not hit much below eight inches. I have not been struck down by lightning and have no remorse, and I did find a lot of large cents. Back in the day folks picnicked at churches and kids played among the graves, people weren't uptight about hanging around the graves or letting their kids play there. Nowadays I think some people might get the wrong idea when seeing a person MDing in an old cemetery so it could stigmatize our hobby but if one is way back in the thicket where you won't be seen by the public I see no harm in it. There are many on this forum who have some inane disapproval of this practice. I have heard people here claim coins were left on grave markers but I have NEVER seen one and I used to clean a lot of cemeteries in the Boy Scouts and have visited a lot more and nobody in my family or any of my friend's families have ever done or heard of this practice. I think when it is my time my marker will have written on it "feel free to detect here, it doesn't bother me". Usually threads about this seem to get closed quickly.
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    The fact that you posted this, must give you some pause....
    There have been many threads about this here on Tnet, and you’ve been around here long enough to know what the general opinion is....
    If you really thought it was ok, you would have already done it by now.
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    I asked and got permission to do the parking area around the cemetery where my parents are buried. There is an old church on the property that has been decommissioned. I was told by the grounds keeper who now is restoring the grounds and the church that I have no limitations around the parking area or around the church. I spent 2 hours detecting and found a lot of nails, aluminum siding pieces, pull tabs and beer bottle caps. I did find 16 cents in clad. I kept everything in my pouch to show anyone with questions about what I was doing. I was cleaning up the trash. I wanted to do this parking area because a lot of weddings also took place here. It’s fairly close to the road and out in the country but every vehicle that drove by would slow down and look at what I was doing. No hassles from anyone. I did not go on the cemetery grounds. I know most people in the area and I have many family members buried here. No regrets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepseekerADS View Post
    The graveyard is very close to me on a hilltop and heavily forested - thus long forgotten. My ancestors settled this holler around sometime early to mid 1700's.

    There's no way in the world I'd even consider detecting on the graves themselves - though it was custom in the early days here to place a coin on the grave of a loved one. What I was considering is the area around the graves and not in the immediate yard itself where people would have crowded for the funerals.
    Here's a pic of a marker with coins on it for you. There's always been old coins on his and his family's markers. Whenever I'm up there I'll pick any of them up off the ground that have fallen or been knocked off by the grounds keeper and put them back.

    It's a custom in some SWMO cemeteries to put coins on markers too.

    My thoughts on Detecting cemeteries is No, because I consider all burial land to be hallowed ground.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with Detecting parking areas though on the outside of old cemeteries.

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    I can see both sides of the conundrum. Me personally, I would not go digging around grave sites unless you are well outside of the area. Think about it this way, if you saw folks digging around one of your loved ones grave, would you get upset? Probably, so this is why I would stay away. There are plenty of other areas to go detecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWaveDave View Post
    The fact that you posted this, must give you some pause....
    There have been many threads about this here on Tnet, and you’ve been around here long enough to know what the general opinion is....
    If you really thought it was ok, you would have already done it by now.
    Thanks Dave, you really took it down to the basics.

    You are right my friend. Tested as I was, I really can't do this. I am quite willing however to walk around the area with my detector listening to chirps.
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    Actually people do leave money at grave stones. My first encounter with this was in japan where money and food is left at family shrines. My first and only encounter with money being left at a grave here in the united states was a couple years ago when my son and i were out in the woods. He found a family cemetery. He did not take the money but put it back on the marker, tried to straighten up the flowers a bit and then left.

    Fast forward to around the 4 min mark and you can see the graves and what he did.

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    I lived in SW MO since 1970 and been in a few cemeteries. I have never seen a coin on a grave but maybe I wasn't looking. You know why pepple did that? I have a book about Ozark magic,superstitions, and folklore. I need to check it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindcrime1988 View Post
    I can see both sides of the conundrum. Me personally, I would not go digging around grave sites unless you are well outside of the area. Think about it this way, if you saw folks digging around one of your loved ones grave, would you get upset? Probably, so this is why I would stay away. There are plenty of other areas to go detecting.
    It wouldn't upset me any more than someone running a lawn mower or weed whacker over the grave......or even the area being dug up to be resodded. Like I mentioned before, my loved one is 6 feet under ground, not barely under the surface.
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