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    Garik Fox

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    The EQ800 is simply an amazing machine, i love the thing
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    I have the equinox 600 and it is a great machine. Took me awhile to learn but I really like it now.
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    Square Nail Squirrel is actually fairly new to the hobby. He just happens to be able to put up decent quality videos. I wouldn't say he was a hardcore Whites guy. He barely had either the V3i or the MX Sport long enough to squint before he picked up the Equinox. The best that can be said of his V3i experience is that he butchered the battery compartment to do a weird battery mod that left a huge LiPo battery affixed to the outside of his machine and then used the machine in very basic configurations for a little while. The Equinox is not a replacement for a machine like the V3i. It's more of a supplement. It is a reality though that most people who pick up a V3i are not versed well enough in the underling technology to be able to operate it proficiently, rather than sufficiently.
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    The CTX 3030 is truly still the King... IMHO...

    I have a CTX an Etrac and a EQ800... plus a F75LTD and 4 other detectors...
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    Travis Mitchell

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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    Square Nail Squirrel is actually fairly new to the hobby. He just happens to be able to put up decent quality videos. I wouldn't say he was a hardcore Whites guy. He barely had either the V3i or the MX Sport long enough to squint before he picked up the Equinox. The best that can be said of his V3i experience is that he butchered the battery compartment to do a weird battery mod that left a huge LiPo battery affixed to the outside of his machine and then used the machine in very basic configurations for a little while. The Equinox is not a replacement for a machine like the V3i. It's more of a supplement. It is a reality though that most people who pick up a V3i are not versed well enough in the underling technology to be able to operate it proficiently, rather than sufficiently.
    I'm not sure I agree with the above statement or at least I think it needs further explanation. "It is a reality though that most people who pick up a V3i are not versed well enough in the underling technology to be able to operate it proficiently, rather than sufficiently"

    Is this a failure on the operator or the reseller? I spent many month's reading everything I could get my hands on about this machine prior to buying it and I spent at least 20 hours playing with settings trying to understand how the machine would respond.
    I created one video mainly for myself on youtube as I don't really have talent for media creation testing settings I had been working on for several days. I even went so far as to read the original manual for the ARM processor (why I don't remember) I kept a small notebook with vdi readings at different frequencies and tested my test bed coins and numerous gold rings. I printed the manual and read thru it many times mainly because I would get confused with the slightly different terminology using terms like SAT, RX GAIN, ALL METAL, Recovery Delay, Band Pass and what I found as an admitted novice was that I could only outperform my MX5 the other machine I had on hand in terms of separation and I contribute that more to the fact that I had a concentric coil on the MX5 and a DD coil on the V3i.

    Particularly what I found interesting probably more so than with any other detector I have used is that it became obvious at least for me that the path to proficiency would involve some hunting days where I had settings wrong for the environment and/or sweep speed was also a factor and it was effecting my confidence. These we really critical factors I noticed that you had to really understand. For example you reduced recovery delay to <60 you were probably going to have some negative effect on your RX GAIN or depth which could be offset by " TX boost" or running at a different Band Pass. all of which could equally be effected by your sweep speed factoring in a machine that weights a little over 4 pounds. Means you have to go slower and swing more weight to cover less ground ...

    By comparison the Equinox although it has many settings it is kinda hard to really screw up just shy of notching out the upper range and it's pretty forgiving to even the fastest of sweepers. It's also 1.5 pounds lighter!


    The worst part about this thread for me is I really wanted to love the MX7 when Whites released it, but it seems that the engineers that whites had the built the V3i have moved on and Whites isn't releasing anything with the same muli-freq xy polar plot technology in a more modern light setup. (but they do have a pink one which you can't get in the Equinox so you have to factor that in as well)

    I would like to add that even though the V3i is heavier if felt better balanced to me than the stock Equinox. Here are the weights just to show some comparison.
    equinox 2.94
    V3i 4.4
    XP ORX 1.9 (this machine also isn't balanced well but neither is a broom and they weight the same)
    CTX 3030 5.2

    I would also add just to stir the pot a bit that If I were comparing machines that I have personally used in my environment up against the Equinox in terms of performance the Tesoro and ORX is actually a closer competitor than the V3i in term of strictly unmasking good targets and depth. Sure they are simpler machines and a lot less features but again for me they are light, fast, and they just work for coin hunting. Not a good comparison for beach hunting or water hunting though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    Square Nail Squirrel is actually fairly new to the hobby. He just happens to be able to put up decent quality videos. I wouldn't say he was a hardcore Whites guy. He barely had either the V3i or the MX Sport long enough to squint before he picked up the Equinox. The best that can be said of his V3i experience is that he butchered the battery compartment to do a weird battery mod that left a huge LiPo battery affixed to the outside of his machine and then used the machine in very basic configurations for a little while. The Equinox is not a replacement for a machine like the V3i. It's more of a supplement. It is a reality though that most people who pick up a V3i are not versed well enough in the underling technology to be able to operate it proficiently, rather than sufficiently.
    Sounded like he was pretty good with it to me, you make it sound as though one needs alot of experience with the v3i to make it work as well as the NOX ?? if thats the case why would I want to do that to my self?? settings are nice to have but if you need to fignagle settings at every target to hear it i will out dig you on every hunt with my NOX... i will have more and better quality targets, i will be able to walk the path you took with a v3i and show you all the targets you missed and hurt your feelings....
    I'll sleep when I'm dead

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    E-Trac Wizard

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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    It is a reality though that most people who pick up a V3i are not versed well enough in the underling technology to be able to operate it proficiently, rather than sufficiently.
    I also grow weary of this sentiment. If you are not finding as much with machine X than machine Y, you don't know how to use machine X rather than machine Y happens to be better than machine X for the task at hand.

    I simply disagree. I think machine Y can be better than machine X at a particular task.

    When I started, the war was between the E-Trac and the V3i at the task of finding silver coins. When it was clear as day that the E-Trac was better at that task, V3i defenders would never admit that, they simply would hide behind the quoted line: "you don't understand the V3i".

    Whatever. Life is short, and time is precious, and I wanted to spend it finding silver coins, not learning some arcane machine programming to find the same coins the E-Trac could find out of the box (my day job was to program machines, so not only am I not an idiot in that regard, I didn't want that for my hobby).

    But, I went a step further. I was fortunate enough to be able to afford both an E-Trac and V3i at the time (hint, buy used), and compared them head to head on the same targets. The E-Trac was simply better at the task of finding silver coins (it wasn't even close), and no amount of arcane programming of the V3i could change that.

    I've never used a NOX, so can't answer the question directly, but if the claim is true that the NOX is better than the E-Trac, it is likely better than the V3i.

    Now, some of it comes down to taste -- what about the tones, the screen, the weight, and so forth. These things might be important to some people, but I say go for the best machine, and learn to live with annoying taste issues. The E-Trac, for example, is heavy and not balanced well. But that is something I learned to live with as for me, being reasonably physically fit, it was just a taste issue.

    Good luck
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    Apr 2014
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    I simply disagree. I think machine Y can be better than machine X at a particular task.

    When I started, the war was between the E-Trac and the V3i at the task of finding silver coins. When it was clear as day that the E-Trac was better at that task, V3i defenders would never admit that, they simply would hide behind the quoted line: "you don't understand the V3i".

    Whatever. Life is short, and time is precious, and I wanted to spend it finding silver coins, not learning some arcane machine programming to find the same coins the E-Trac could find out of the box (my day job was to program machines, so not only am I not an idiot in that regard, I didn't want that for my hobby).

    But, I went a step further. I was fortunate enough to be able to afford both an E-Trac and V3i at the time (hint, buy used), and compared them head to head on the same targets. The E-Trac was simply better at the task of finding silver coins (it wasn't even close), and no amount of arcane programming of the V3i could change that.

    I've never used a NOX, so can't answer the question directly, but if the claim is true that the NOX is better than the E-Trac, it is likely better than the V3i.

    Now, some of it comes down to taste -- what about the tones, the screen, the weight, and so forth. These things might be important to some people, but I say go for the best machine, and learn to live with annoying taste issues. The E-Trac, for example, is heavy and not balanced well. But that is something I learned to live with as for me, being reasonably physically fit, it was just a taste issue.

    Good luck
    I absolutely agree that machine X can be better than machine Y at specific tasks. That is one of the excuses I've used for having more than one machine (I try to have machines that compliment each other while also excelling at a particular task that I deem necessary). The truth of the matter (though) is that I just like trying out different machines that catch my fancy.

    I also owned an eTrac while owning a V3i. For me the V3i was the better machine; I found more silver with it and enjoyed using it far more. I actually did like the eTrac (loved that silver warble) but it wasn't balanced very well and I just preferred using the V3i. I sold the eTrac and bought the CTX 3030 (local dealer convinced me that it was the machine that I had to have). I didn't care for the CTX 3030 at all - the balance was better than the eTrac, but it just wasn't the right machine for me, so I sold it as well.

    I don't know if the eTrac is the better machine (verses the V3i) or not. I do know that the V3i was/is the better machine for me. Obviously I am in the minority there but given my own experiences (with different machines) I have to think that personal preferences play a vital role when it comes to which machine is the best.

    I believe that the reason I found/find more silver with the V3i is because I like that machine better - it fits me well and I just happen to gel with the way Whites machines are set up (I love my MX5 as well). I like all of the machines I currently own, but have the most time on the V3i and the MX5 so I naturally have more confidence when I'm using either of those two machines.

    Are there better machines available (than the V3i or the MX5)?

    For some specific purposes.... Absolutely.

    In general?

    I don't believe so. Not yet anyway.

    That's not a slight against all other machines - I am quite sure that if I had gelled with either of the two Minelab machines that I'd think (for me) that machine was the best machine for me.

    I know I miss stuff with both the V3i and the MX5. I also missed stuff with the eTrac, the CTX 30303, and miss stuff with every machine I own. I know that because I've gone back (time and time again) to the same places with each machine and have found stuff with every machine. I've found stuff that others have missed and I'm sure that others have found stuff I've missed. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to those faint sounds, or maybe I just didn't get the coil over that particular spot?

    Is there a best machine?

    I suppose so. Maybe?

    But I think the real question is "best for whom"?

    Some swear the Equinox is the best machine. Others say the best machine is the Deus. Then there are those who say the AT Pro/Max is the best machine, or the Fisher F75, Teknetics T2, Whites MX Pro, Tesoro Vaquero, Nokta-Makro Anfibio, etc...

    I think they're all correct - for themselves.
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