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    Buying another detector - Should I buy the Nokta Makro Simplex or...

    Buying another detector - Should I buy the Nokta Makro Simplex or...

    Should I buy a backup Bounty Hunter Land Ranger Pro? Both are in the $250.00 range and if the LRP were waterproof, there would be no question which one I would buy.

    I am very fond of my LRP, well let's say I enjoy the heck outta using it, and would like to have a backup. I've only had the LRP for 3 months so I really could wait awhile on purchasing a back up for it.

    My main concern with the Simplex is that the batteries are built-in rechargeable ones and we all know that they do not last forever. I have not been able to find any documentation on whether they are user replaceable but, I have been told they are not. I haven't talked to anyone that has one so I am not sure about this.

    Any help would be much appreciated!
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    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    Diggin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelito1 View Post
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    Thanks!
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    Number one item on my Bucket List... A Stargate.

    Molecular phylogeny of the major arthropod groups indicates polyphyly of crustaceans and a new hypothesis for the origin of hexapods.

    I have a Water Pistol and I know how to use it!

    ALL finds are interesting to those who truly enjoy our hobby.

    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    If the batteries go bad what are you supposed to do, there has to be an explantion. I was looking into getting a Simplex also..for the money its a no brainer.
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    The Simplex. By the time the batteries give it up, you'll be ready for a new machine.
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    I bought a Simplex as a relatively new detectorist; I had purchased a Fisher F22 a few months prior to that. I think the Simplex is a fantastic machine, and in general I think it's helpful to have two different detectors since each will have their own strengths and weaknesses. Yeah you have to get used to a new machine, but once you do, you have two options to choose from.

    As far as the batteries go, they have lasted me something like 8-10 hours while detecting after dark (with permission) so that the backlight is on the entire time, which will of course drain batteries faster. So even if batteries age a bit and don't hold a full charge, I have no doubt they would be able to run the detector longer than my arm would be able to hold it during a single session. Also, if the batteries were to need replacing, I'm sure it's something that could be done by a careful electrically-inclined person.

    All that to say, go for the Simplex! Hope this was helpful.
    Rust Interpreter and Bottle Cap Recovery Specialist since 2019

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    Diggin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeythecat View Post
    The Simplex. By the time the batteries give it up, you'll be ready for a new machine.
    I have 6 Metal Detectors at this time and I passed on buying a few because of proprietary issues - hence, no Garrett MD's in my collection.

    If I have a machine go down and I am not able to fix it, then I will buy a new one. However, if a new one comes out that adds a feature that I think would be helpful to my hobby, I will consider purchasing one. This doesn't usually happen as I am an Electronic Tech (Retired) and have no problem fixing most of my equipment, albeit the technology is about to pass this old man up.

    Cheers
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    Number one item on my Bucket List... A Stargate.

    Molecular phylogeny of the major arthropod groups indicates polyphyly of crustaceans and a new hypothesis for the origin of hexapods.

    I have a Water Pistol and I know how to use it!

    ALL finds are interesting to those who truly enjoy our hobby.

    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    Diggin'

    Jan 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Comet View Post
    I bought a Simplex as a relatively new detectorist; I had purchased a Fisher F22 a few months prior to that. I think the Simplex is a fantastic machine, and in general I think it's helpful to have two different detectors since each will have their own strengths and weaknesses. Yeah you have to get used to a new machine, but once you do, you have two options to choose from.

    As far as the batteries go, they have lasted me something like 8-10 hours while detecting after dark (with permission) so that the backlight is on the entire time, which will of course drain batteries faster. So even if batteries age a bit and don't hold a full charge, I have no doubt they would be able to run the detector longer than my arm would be able to hold it during a single session. Also, if the batteries were to need replacing, I'm sure it's something that could be done by a careful electrically-inclined person.

    All that to say, go for the Simplex! Hope this was helpful.
    Thanks for the info!

    Oh, and does the Simplex appear to have a battery compartment?
    Last edited by Diggin' History; Jan 29, 2020 at 10:55 PM.
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    Number one item on my Bucket List... A Stargate.

    Molecular phylogeny of the major arthropod groups indicates polyphyly of crustaceans and a new hypothesis for the origin of hexapods.

    I have a Water Pistol and I know how to use it!

    ALL finds are interesting to those who truly enjoy our hobby.

    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggin' History View Post
    does the Simplex appear to have a battery compartment?
    Not that I can tell... The part with the "guts" appears to come apart in two pieces; there's a seam between the top and bottom so those look like they're molded separately. No screws that I can see either. That said, there are service centers around, which means there is probably a way to get it apart along with (if you're lucky) a technical service manual. As the unit gets older you might be able to get a hand on some instructions, or the knowledge of someone who has repaired one in the past.

    I've looked for replacement lithium ion batteries before and some commonly available li-ion cells can be bought online... I realized that the Simplex+ uses a lithium polymer battery which would be a little harder to find online, but I looked quickly and there are several different sizes you can buy retail. The cheapest way for Nokta Makro to manufacture the Simplex would be to use a commonly available battery pack, which means odds are you could buy a replacement online.

    I think you would most likely be able to wire in a replacement battery yourself. Once you got the unit apart the specs of the battery would be printed on it, so it would be pretty easy to find a replacement. And as a last resort, there are also people who would have professional knowledge of detector service and would be able to replace the battery for you. Also, keep in mind that using this type of battery is a design choice: Nokta Makro gets to use a higher voltage and/or more powerful electronics when this type of battery is incorporated. There are benefits associated with using the built-in battery, although as you point out, the trade-off is that you might have some replacement costs down the road. For me though, benefits outweigh the risks.
    Rust Interpreter and Bottle Cap Recovery Specialist since 2019

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    Diggin'

    Jan 2020
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    Inspector Comet: "For me though, benefits outweigh the risks." - Would this be like taking prescription medicines... "The good outweighs the bad"? :smile:

    Thanks for the info. I'm sure that with my technical knowledge I could fathom a replacement platform for the battery if needed. I think I have enough electronic contacts left that I would be able to receive assistance if necessary.

    I was merely making a comment from a practical point of view and do not think that the battery, or batteries, would go bad during the 2 year warranty period. It's always good to get another perspective on a topic of interest from other like minded individuals.

    Thanks again!
    Inspector Comet and SanMan like this.
    Number one item on my Bucket List... A Stargate.

    Molecular phylogeny of the major arthropod groups indicates polyphyly of crustaceans and a new hypothesis for the origin of hexapods.

    I have a Water Pistol and I know how to use it!

    ALL finds are interesting to those who truly enjoy our hobby.

    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    My opinion is that if your trying to say under $600 dollar budget the Simplex is the way to go. The battery really should be fine for 5 years (3 at a bare minimum) and possibly longer. Also Nokta support has been excellent from all accounts I have heard. (They are one of the few manufacturers that actively listen to the community and participate in the forums)

    Also I'm willing to go out on a limb and bet you a silver quarter that the Simplex will probably run circles around your Land Ranger Pro. (If the simplex has the same brains as the racers I feel pretty good about this)

    I've seen some head to head comparisons of the Simplex against my Deus and it is very impressive for the price tag! HH eman
    Last edited by eman1000; Jan 30, 2020 at 10:45 AM.

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    Diggin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by eman1000 View Post
    Diggin,

    My opinion is that if your trying to say under $600 dollar budget the Simplex is the way to go. The battery really should be fine for 5 years (3 at a bare minimum) and possibly longer. Also Nokta support has been excellent from all accounts I have heard. (They are one of the few manufacturers that actively listen to the community are participate in the forums)

    Also I'm willing to go out on a limb and bet you a silver quarter that the Simplex will probably run circles around your Land Ranger Pro. (If the simplex has the same brains as the racers I feel pretty good about this)

    I've seen some head to head comparisons of the Simplex against my Deus and it is very impressive for the price tag! HH eman
    I'm going to order the Simplex (actually the Simplex+ without the headphones) Friday (tomorrow). As long as it's in stock I should have it no later than next Thursday. I will still buy a LRP for a backup but, I'm not in a rush to do that now.

    As for running circles around my LRP, I think that is going to be a tough contest. You know I will be putting them both on the starting line for the race of the century. :grin:
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    Number one item on my Bucket List... A Stargate.

    Molecular phylogeny of the major arthropod groups indicates polyphyly of crustaceans and a new hypothesis for the origin of hexapods.

    I have a Water Pistol and I know how to use it!

    ALL finds are interesting to those who truly enjoy our hobby.

    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    All great comments....the Simplex would be my backup to my Minelab 4500 p.i.Once in a while you want to take a break form nuggethunting and go back to the beginings..relics and coins. Truth is, all my detectors and coils have payed for themselves many times over.....so if the battery goes bad after the warranty expires so be it. Buy another one...
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    Diggin'

    Jan 2020
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    Thanks all for the info.

    As I mentioned above, I will be ordering the Simplex tomorrow. It should be in by Thursday next week.

    Cheers!
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    Number one item on my Bucket List... A Stargate.

    Molecular phylogeny of the major arthropod groups indicates polyphyly of crustaceans and a new hypothesis for the origin of hexapods.

    I have a Water Pistol and I know how to use it!

    ALL finds are interesting to those who truly enjoy our hobby.

    I have a Mongolian Death Worm for a pet.

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    Good luck with the new Simplex+. I think it’s a great unit that can easily be replaced should the occasion arise.


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