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    Question It's down to Two machines. Help me make a choice.

    A few years ago I got out of metal detecting and sold my White's Spectrum XLT. I never thought that machine lived up to it's full potential and the learning curve for me was quite long. I hunted mostly in Michigan at parks, abandoned homesteads, fields, etc. with very little mineralization. I want to get back into it with a mid-priced machine and I've narrowed it down to the Garrett Ace 400 or the Fisher F44. I'm having trouble deciding which one and both have certain advantages that I can see. Help me out here with your opinions if you own one or both of these machines. Thanks.
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    Tom

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    Between those two for the money I'd go with the Nokta/Makro Simplex+
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    I love my simplex
    There’s also minelab vanquish with multi frequency
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    Simplex+ is waterproof and submersible - of what’s been mentioned, it would get my vote, tho I own a Garrett and a Fisher.
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    Lord ringpull

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    Neither, choose the simplex, best bang for buck, but if you love American brand names go for something else although most are made in China i believe.

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    Me, with my 40 years of experience, I'd think about a basically entry level machine.
    Get a used machine! Just maybe you might run across a Tesoro Tejon. You'd learn a lot from that machine,

    If not, don't go spending big bucks from the start. Learn on a "sound" machine before you start spending Big bucks on anything you see here. After all you'll need a backup machine at some point.
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    Garrett is announcing the new Apex in a week or two and it may be an upgrade from the Ace. So you may want to hold off before you purchase.
    Think about a waterproof detector if you’ll be going in the River there.
    Good luck!
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    Digging in the dirt & scooping in the water!
    By the way, for all you dreamers like me out there, I've been in a search along side of a Tesoro Compadre = Oh yeah, that baby worked extremely well while swinging alongside my CTX....

    That's what the facts are for you guys who want to spend big bucks. What was that saying? Simply is what simply does
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    It appears that you have a budget and that's why you are looking at those two. I have bought most of my machines used and have never had an issue. I am a Fisher guy and don't like the garrett bell tones. I do prefer a DD coil over a concentric. I hear good things about the simplex, you might want to put that into your consideration unless buying US product is one of your goals.

    good luck in whatever you chose.


    PS I hunted my 1st 6 months without a pin pointer, but won't hunt without one now. Be sure you budget enough for a good pin pointer, It speeds up target recovery. Heck I keep 2 on hand just in case one breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loco-Digger View Post
    It appears that you have a budget and that's why you are looking at those two. I have bought most of my machines used and have never had an issue. I am a Fisher guy and don't like the garrett bell tones. I do prefer a DD coil over a concentric. I hear good things about the simplex, you might want to put that into your consideration unless buying US product is one of your goals.

    good luck in whatever you chose.


    PS I hunted my 1st 6 months without a pin pointer, but won't hunt without one now. Be sure you budget enough for a good pin pointer, It speeds up target recovery. Heck I keep 2 on hand just in case one breaks.

    Seems the DD coils go a little deeper with higher mineralization......however I used a concentric for years on my Teknetics 8500 and was spot on with pinpointing, something I really miss having. In city searching it pays to be accurate and faster and not dig large holes.....with my Deus Orx I can't be as precise with it's DD coil. Hunting pastures or farmland don't worry so much about hole size.

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    Coin Rescue Tech

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timecop67 View Post
    Seems the DD coils go a little deeper with higher mineralization......however I used a concentric for years on my Teknetics 8500 and was spot on with pinpointing, something I really miss having. In city searching it pays to be accurate and faster and not dig large holes.....with my Deus Orx I can't be as precise with it's DD coil. Hunting pastures or farmland don't worry so much about hole size.
    I find that I get better separation using a DD vs a concentric
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    May 2017
    Kansas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loco-Digger View Post
    I find that I get better separation using a DD vs a concentric
    Not so sure separation is a benefit but can definitely cover more ground using a DD....which is good for large fields (don't have to overlap sweeps as much)....not so much in town. And being in Kansas my ground is mostly low Mineralization. The early Teknetics coin computer machines were concentric and could find deep coins with it and pinpointing was very accurate.....separation was improved in the final Mark I design. After the early company Teknetics or Discovery electronics sold their assets to 1st Texas they moved over to the DD coils which have pluses but also a few drawbacks like less accurate id of bottlecaps and pinpointing.

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    May 2020
    Indianapolis, IN
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    Detector choice

    Quote Originally Posted by jglunt View Post
    A few years ago I got out of metal detecting and sold my White's Spectrum XLT. I never thought that machine lived up to it's full potential and the learning curve for me was quite long. I hunted mostly in Michigan at parks, abandoned homesteads, fields, etc. with very little mineralization. I want to get back into it with a mid-priced machine and I've narrowed it down to the Garrett Ace 400 or the Fisher F44. I'm having trouble deciding which one and both have certain advantages that I can see. Help me out here with your opinions if you own one or both of these machines. Thanks.
    Between the 2 that you mentioned, I would go with the F44. ----But a better choice, (IMO), would be the Simplex + with the wireless headphones ( For about $330)---or any of the Garrett AT series. ----(used)

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    Jun 2015
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    I would try the F44 . It looks up to the tasks. I like Garrett's. Don't get me wrong. But its just that same boring tone. I have a simplex+. The only potential dis advantage is that it has a sealed unit battery. And since its from turkey idk what a turn around time would be like on a warranty. Not to mention these batteries don't last forever. Hopefully they are better quality to last longer than a month or 2 out of the warranty period.

 

 
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