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  1. #1
    dneyedli@res1.mts.net

    GREATEST REWARD

    It seems that the subject of rewards has sparked alot of interest, and even exposed a personality trait in a certain individual that I had no idea existed. Anyway, here's a story of my "Greatest Reward".
    In the summer of 1999, my city (Winnipeg) held the Pam Am games. Events were held all over the city and also outside the city. Many events were held in a large Provincial park, which has a lake.
    In late fall of that year, the lake was drained, and I was there finding lots of goodies. One of the rings that I found, was a plain gold band with the words "Believe and Achieve" inscribed inside. Once I read those words, I felt that it was a divine message and imediately slid the ring on. It fit perfect (Which is rare for my fingers) and I repeated the words to myself and instantly recieved a nice signal which turned out to be a big, nice gold ring! I believed, then I achieved! To me, this ring is magical and the incribed words are powerful. I wore it alot.
    Two years later, in the dead of winter, I saw an article in the newspaper that took me by surprise. It went on to explain about the gold medalist, Simon Whittfield and his father who wonders if he will ever see his long lost ring again, as it must be resting on the lake bottom, lost forever.
    The article continues to explain how the gold metalist made up 5 gold bands with their family motto inscribed on each ring and that Simon wore one and gave one to his brother, sister, mother, and father. They all wore their rings everytime Simon competed for a medal. It was their powerful luck charm that gave Simon the confidence to win. His father Geoff lost his ring during the Pan Am games while swimming. The ring was inscribed with the words "Believe and Achieve" and I happen to be wearing it at that moment!!!
    I called the major newspaper and instantly a reporter came to my house and took pictures and my story. It hit the paper the next day with a nice story and a big colour picture of me wearing the ring. Included in the article was the surprise of the owner when the newspaper contacted him with news of his discovered ring. A few days later he called me from his home in Kingston, Ontario. We had a great conversation and he realised that the ring had become a part of me, but I was completely fine with letting it go. He wanted to meet me in person and was heading my way in the summertime briefly and told me to hold on to the ring until then.
    Despite the comments of a few other detectorists telling me to "milk him for a big reward", I had no expectations, and felt that this whole experience was a reward in it's self.
    Geoff called a month later and we talked. He told me that he had been thinking and decided that he wanted to reward me with a duplicate of the exact same ring that he was going to get made up from the same jeweler, with their family motto inscribed and exchange rings when we meet!
    He was essientially saying "welcome to the family", as these rings were only worn by the family members. Even though he was making the exact same ring, the one he lost, held magic and it was sentimental to him.
    We met months later, joyously, exchanged rings and he welcomed me to stay at his home anytime if I happen to be in that area (quite far from here) and hoped to connect sometime in the future.
    End of story.
    I would be foolish not to except that reward and it would probably insult him aswell. The ring he gave me was better than cash and I felt honoured to have been a part of this incredible experience. I will never ask for a reward, because I believe that the higher forces at work, will always take care of me and I accept the rewards given. If my services are called upon, then yes there is a fee, just like every other profession.
    It's been awile since I wore that new ring, I happen to be wearing another magic ring right now, but that, is another story......
    Thanks for listening and sharing.
    Dave.
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    Jul 2003
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    Neat story Dave. Thanks for sharing it.
    HH
    You can't take it with you but it sure is fun to find.
    BH Time Ranger
    BH 505

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    us
    Jul 2003
    Elgin
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    That is a remarkable and great recovery and return Dave. Congrats and HH!!

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    Mar 2003
    So. Cal.
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    "It seems that the subject of rewards has sparked alot of interest, and even exposed a personality trait in a certain individual that I had no idea existed."

    I assume you are talking about me. I should have never started this the thread you are referring to as I have been chastized by many. What has NOT been brought up is the fact that I asked the question with obvious guilt in my heart for keeping something that does not technically belong to me. LET ME STATE AGAIN I FULLY INTENDED TO RETURN THE RING!
    My question was "should I ask for a reward". Maybe I was wrong for feeling this way. I guess this comes from the many times I have returned rings or hunted for them without so much as a "thanks".
    Let me tell you about my most "recent" experience with rotten people who have jaded my perspective.
    I was worn out after detecting for a few hours on the beach. I had not found much to speak of and had decided to pack it in. Out of the corner of my eye I could see a guy trying to get my attention. He was a great distance away and was coming towards me to get my attention. There were at least three other detectorists around, but they were not as close as I was. After asking me to come back and look for something they lost, I told him, "You know what, I am really burnt out, why don't you ask one of those guys. I'm sure they would be happy to help". He would not take no for an answer and proceeded to offer me $5 to come and find his car keys. Once I found out they were car keys, I felt sorry for him and was not going to take the $5 anyway. I said I'd help him out and I proceeded to walk in the opposite direction for about a 1/4 mile down the beach from where I was headed to do just that. I spent about 15 mins of my time (which is precious when I am hunting since I don't hunt as often as others may and don't always get a chance to) looking for his car keys. His friends were all standing around and once the guy told them that he offered me $5, they all started shaking their heads no and shuffling away from where I was hunting. I never did find the car keys, the guy told me forget it and left with his friends after snubbing me. Here is an instance where I wasn't going to take a reward, but was offered one to do what I percieved as a favor. When I went out of my way to help, what happened? I got basically got spit upon for being a good samaritan.

    My views regarding the ring I found were that I liked it. Obviously it's owners would have liked to have it back. I figured a "fair trade" was in order and was going to "suggest" (not ask or demand) a finders fee IF they felt so inclined by the happinesss of getting their prized possesion back. I would have returned the ring regardless since it is stamped with their name right inside it. My rule has always been the following (and I must say there are many many folks in my club who find literally hundreds of rings per year who only track down a few of the rings that they find each year. Many are in the thousand(s) + dollar range), if I find a ring that has inscriptions on the inside or identification, I will return it. If it does not it is mine. Period. Plain and simple.

    Now, lets go a step further. Why don't all folks try and find who owns that lost item? There are many many pieces of jewelry that would be a "no brianer" to describe to their owners if they were advertised in the local Lost and Found". Yet very few of these items ever end up there. Why? Plain and simple once again. Each detectorist makes a "judgement call" on what he or she will try and return or find the owners of and what they want to keep. Ask any detectorist in this forum that has been hunting for a while and you will see each one has a case of items (rings included) that they have never tried to find owners for. Why not? Because it was not convienent? Because they liked the ring? Because it was a big honkin piece of gold, platinum or silver? Because their wife "really liked it", or because it had real "diamonds in it? The reasons are plentiful, but I must say I'm tired of catching crap that every single person on this board has done in one way or another (excuse me if you truly are the exception to the rule).
    Do you think the folks who found all of those rings in WE &T all tried so hard to find the owners of those rings? I'm sure at least a few had inscriptions and those that didn't surely could have been I'D'ed if their owners had seen an ad in a local paper. I can tell you for a fact, the rings in WE&T were not even close to some of the club rings that I saw this last year. Many would have won top honors in this magazine, but were not put in by their finders. I can only ask why not?

    I may have asked the question that struck a nerve with some folks, but let me ask you all. Is that because you too have struggled with this very question at one time or another in your Th'ing history?

    I do this hobby for fun, relaxation, and not least of all, for profit. I use that profit to build my coin collection (my hobby), or to eventually buy more TH'ing things. So if I had chosen to ask for a finders fee, I would look at it two ways. Either these folks would have been more than happy to give me one, or they would just say thanks. Either one would have been fine. I was considering what the ring was worth to me when I asked the question. That is all.

    Life is all about questions and that is why I asked this one. I'm glad many of you folks have such honest hearts, mine has been jaded by too many scam artists, rip-offs, and the like. I am sensing those folks who are in the more "rural" areas still trust their fellow man alot more than us city folk who have been stepped on too many times by others.

    I did come to a decision with the ring after all of this. I called the two numbers in the phone book tonight to find out if the ring was theirs. The first girl indicated it was not hers and wanted to know how I "got her name". I told her it was in the phone book. She said, "Yeah, but how did you know my name?", I finally fessed up that it "was part of the ring".
    It obviously was not hers, so I moved on to the next number. It was disconnected. SO... I may look harder and I might not. Of course, that decision is just like all of those each of you has made at least once during YOUR Th'ing days!!! Next time folks chastize someone for a question like mine, open up that little treasure chest of finds and take a good hard look at it. It's a chest full of broken hearts just waiting to be healed.

  5. #5
    us
    Jul 2003
    Elgin
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    Very well put Coinshooter. A lot of us have seen that side of people who expect us to do something for them simply because we appear able. Had a very similar situation with a girl at a volleyball court.

    I was her only hope, when I could not locate her keys, she was very angry with me. Bottom line she had probably lost the keys elsewhere after leaving the court with friends in another car and getting drunk as her story went, and now I was a big moron because I could not help. Oh well, so be it.

  6. #6
    dneyedli@res1.mts.net

    GREATEST REWARD

    Coinshooter,
    Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm sorry that you misunderstood my opening statement about personality traits, that was intended for the retired cop, not you. All of his previous posts seemed fine until the last thread which obviously exposed some traits that seperate him from the rest of us.
    I understand your point of view and have been there before. I have only connected with a couple of people in the last 20 years to return lost rings,and there are a few that I just don't bother with.
    Bottom line - Once the ring is lost and you find it, it becomes the property of the finder. Whether they decide to return or not, that is their right.
    CS, I will agree with your decision either way. I want to tell a short story of a guy I know and his uncomfortable situation that would be helpful to everyone, but I'm late for work so I will tell it this evening (typing with 2 fingers doesn't help either).
    Good Day All.
    Dave.
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    us
    Mar 2003
    Redding,Calif.
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    In 40+ years of detecting I've found hundreds of rings and have returned a few and 99% of those I was sent to look for.Most newspapers have free ads or I turn'm in to cops for 90 day hold on really expensive ones.Curiously NOBODY has ever reclaimed extremely expensive rings from the cops,just cheapies?? Class rings make up the bulk of returns and have made many fine friends this way.I like helping folks out because you and they are hunting together and the delight in their faces is prize enough.I've taken a few bucks here and there,a few meals,and a couple of hot dates---but that too is another story!!Tons a au 2 u 2-John

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    Mar 2003
    So. Cal.
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    Is that why they calll you Hoser - John? wink

  9. #9
    flash

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    coinshooter:

    I don't think there was anything wrong with your original post at all.I tend to agree wt you on the subject.Everybody has thier own opionion on it,which is fine. After all isn't that what you was asking for? Opionions?

    The thread went negative because of dirtworm.He slammed you right of the bat and would not quit.I think he was way out of line!

    Someone who has been on this forum a long time needs to turn him in to the moderator and then turn him into his IP.If it has not already happened.

    Maybe we all should report him.Was anyone else offended by his post?

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    Charter Member

    Mar 2003
    So. Cal.
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    I guess he hit a nerve with me too. Maybe I took it too personal because I felt I was trying to resolve this question in my mind and yes, he did come on somewhat strong. Obviously he has very strong feelings towards his fellow neighbors. wink

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    us
    Jul 2003
    Elgin
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    Hey Coinshooter, I say we go th'ing with Hoser John and see what gives with this hot date thing... Now you're talking rewards!

  12. #12
    dneyedli@res1.mts.net

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    Here is a story about a returned ring scenario that was not so pretty...
    This guy who I've known for years and happens to be unemployed, lazy, and still living with his dad at the age of 31, used to have a detector but sold it to pay off a fraction of his huge debt, persuaded me to take him out to a popular beach and let him use my second machine. I agreed and he was met with success and found a 20 gram, large diamond rugby championship ring. The owners name was all over the ring. It was quite impressive. He was happy with his find but failed to offer any gas money or gratitude for using my machine. That's o.k. because I found a few nice rings myself.
    For a week or so he sported the ring, as it fit his ring finger. He strutted his stuff, flashing those diamonds in the sun, until he decided to sell it thinking he gonna get a nice bundle. The first jeweller stated that those stones were cubic zirconias. He left the store telling me that they were crooks and went to another jeweller who told him the same thing. Finally after a few more, he realised that it could fetch him $100 for scrap value.
    He also said that maybe the owner would give him more as a reward.
    He conteplated this for a few days.
    I'm sure some of us have had to choose between similar situations, and I wasn't going to hold it against him. What happened next, was not so nice.
    He contacted the owner and they met at a coffee shop. The owner bought coffee's and was very happy. When it came time to the leave, the owner handed xxxx a $20 dollar bill. Well, xxxx refused to give the ring back unless the guy handed him $100, stating that he could of scrapped the ring for that amount. The owner's happiness faded as he drove down the street to a ATM machine and returned to the coffee shop with the money and finally recieved his long lost ring.
    I was not impressed at all.
    A week later he calls me up, asking to go to the beach and use my detector. I refused and we got into an arguement.
    I haven't seen him since. (2 years to this day)
    H.H.
    Dave.
    P.S. this is not directed at anyone in particular.

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    us
    Jul 2003
    Elgin
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    Hey, it doesn't have to be directed at anyone to be a shared experience or one we can learn from! Now about that other magical ring.... oh boy!

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    Charter Member

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    My experience tells me, that kind of friend you don't really need in your life anyway. BTW, I really enjoyed your first story. SOrry I misread who you were talking about. CS 8)

  15. #15

    May 2003
    Sunny Southern CA Coast
    Minelab Sovereign
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    Wow, guys (and gals) seems I miss a lot by not checking in every day... just too busy these days.

    Great stories, all.

    Yeah, Coinshooter, those of us in the Southern California melting pot wind up putting up with a lot of hard feelings from people. In a huge city like LA seems like you're always waiting for someone-- just too many people, and I think we all are tired of each other's company. Comes with the territory.

    And every time I hear about returning something I can't help but remember a story told me once about a guy who found a woman's purse on the sidewalk, checked the ID, found the lady and returned it to her. It had been stolen, but instead of being happy to get it back, she filed a lawsuit against the guy because he didn't return $5000 she claims was in the purse when it was stolen. 7+ years of lawyers fees and time lost for trying to do a good deed. Only in California...

    So far I've returned rings only when someone has told me where to look for them and could describe them. To date I have only found 2 class rings; the first was totally smashed and destroyed in cobblestones by wave action, and I don't see much point in returning it. The second I found last week, and have pretty much concluded which school it must be. I just have to contact the persons on the alumni list who match the initials on the ring, and that will happen when I get some time this weekend.

    And I used to run ads in the paper, but would get lots of calls from all the wrong people. Just got tired of dealing with that. Now in a rural town I imagine it would work great to describe something in the paper. The other thing is that out here we get a lot of vacationers from all over the country. No way to return something to someone who lost it on their honeymoon, if there isn't any way to track them down.
    "...and then I will finally be able to take over the world!"
    - Brain, in 'Pinky and the Brain'

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