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    Looks like breccia and chondritis?

    I have an eyewitness to the fall of the meteor in 2005. Now trying to find the wreckage. These are two (total six) fragments found nearby. They were found approximately at a distance of a kilometer from my first find. Do these look like fragments of a meteorite? I would be grateful for any opinion.
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    None are meteorites. Pick up a few guidebooks. Visit websites of certified meteorite labs. Read. Read again. Learn.

    Time for more coffee.
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    What I see is a large piece of slag, the one you sanded, with the metal gobs. The others look like volcanic breccia. I'm guessing there is an extinct volcano near where those were found.
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    Agree with @Kray Gelder. I would also expect more recognisable fusion crust (whether primary or secondary crust) on a fall as recent as 2005. Meteor streaks happen all the time, but the vast majority of them don't result in anything actually reaching Earth's surface as meteorites. Even if they do, the debris is usually a very long way from where the streak was observed. You may have seen a streak, but what evidence do you have for any impact? The meteorite community is pretty hot on witnessed falls. The captions on your pics suggest you're in the Ukraine. There are no recorded witnessed falls from the Ukraine in 2005 (nor from Russia).
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ID:	1796226 Does it look like remnants of a secondary cortex?

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    Thanks for the answer, but there are many thousands of kilometers to the nearest volcano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyusy777 View Post
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ID:	1796226 Does it look like remnants of a secondary cortex?
    If you mean secondary fusion crust (as in meteorites), no it doesn't look like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyusy777 View Post
    Thanks for the answer, but there are many thousands of kilometers to the nearest volcano.
    Could you please give a more precise locality. If you are in the Ukraine (a presumption from the language on your picture caption), then there is nowhere in that country where you can be thousands of kilometres away from the nearest extinct volcano. Also, volcanic rocks don't just come from volcanoes as most people imagine them (big pointy things with a crater in the top). Geologically, a 'volcano' is just a rupture in the earth's surface from which molten lava has been ejected and there are rocks formed in that way in many parts of the Ukraine from ancient geological activity. The country has also seen glaciation, which has a habit of moving rocks around such that they may not be representative of the geology in the immediate area where they were found.

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    If you understand me, this is very good! (given the fact that I almost do not speak English). I live in the north-east of Ukraine (Sumy region). We know about volcanoes from TV, the Internet and books. Stones found in the forest, under the foliage. So this fact excludes the movement of their glacier.

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    Do you know what the English word glacier means?

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    Glacier- is a persistent body of dense ice that is constantly moving under its own weight. Guessed?

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    Can slag contain such explicit "balls"Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyusy777 View Post
    Can slag contain such explicit "balls"Click image for larger version. 

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    Yes, slags of various types can contain “balls” similar to those indicated. Slag is simply waste from smelting. Depending on the source material, it can have a multitude of textures and can resemble many things, including volcanic rocks.

    Based only on the image provided, this item is either slag, or is volcanic in origin. It has no visible characteristics of meteorites.

    Get some guidebooks. Visit websites of certified meteorite labs. Read. Learn. Have fun.

    Time for more coffee.
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    This is the geology of your country. The darker yellow area (6) is the Dnieper-Donets Rift and Sumy Oblast is on the edge of its basin.

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    Massive rifts like this are caused by two areas of the earth’s crust pulling apart from one another and forming a depression, into which volcanic lava may flow from below the surface. It’s still ‘volcanic’ even though there are no volcanic mountain peaks like you will see in the southwest of the Ukraine. You will certainly find volcanic rocks in your region.

    It hasn’t been volcanically active since the end of the Paleozoic Era about 250 million years ago, but since it is a geological ‘fault’ area, there is still rumbling activity deep below the surface. That’s why you had a magnitude 4.5-5.0 earthquake in 2015

    We therefore don’t need to suppose that any volcanic rocks in your area were deposited by glacial activity, but I think you misunderstand what this means. Glaciers are massive sheets of ice that can push rocks along as they advance, or cause them to be moved by massive flooding as the glacier melts and retreats. Those rocks don’t necessarily remain on the surface… and particularly not when the glacial activity was ancient. The Ukraine last saw glaciation around 200,000 years ago.

    This is the same answer in Ukrainian, from Google translate. Probably terrible, but may help you a bit:

    Це геологія вашої країни. Більш темно-жовтою зоною (6) є Дніпровсько-Донецький рифт, а Сумська область знаходиться на краю її басейну.

    Масивні розриви подібні цій, викликані двома ділянками земної кори, що відриваються одна від одної і утворюють западину, в яку вулканічна лава може текти з-під поверхні. Це досі "вулканічно", хоча на південному заході України немає вулканічних гірських вершин, як ви бачите. Ви точно знайдете вулканічні скелі у своєму регіоні.

    Він не був вулканічно активним з кінця епохи палеозою близько 250 мільйонів років тому, але оскільки це геологічна зона розломів, все ще бурхлива діяльність знаходиться глибоко під поверхнею. Ось чому в 2015 році у вас був землетрус магнітудою 4,5-5,0

    Тому нам не потрібно вважати, що будь-які вулканічні породи у вашій місцевості були відкладені льодовиковою діяльністю, але я думаю, ви неправильно розумієте, що це означає. Льодовики - це масивні аркуші льоду, які можуть підштовхувати скелі по мірі просування, або спричиняти їх переміщення шляхом масового затоплення, коли льодовик тане і відступає. Ці скелі не обов'язково залишаються на поверхні ... і особливо не тоді, коли льодовикова діяльність була давньою. Озеленення Україна останнім часом бачила десь за останні 200 000 років тому.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galenrog View Post
    None are meteorites. Pick up a few guidebooks. Visit websites of certified meteorite labs. Read. Read again. Learn.

    Time for more coffee.

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