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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameslm92 View Post
    Hello my name is James Moore when cleaning out a shed in my backyard I found a box. I opened it and found a couple things I found to be interesting I am reaching out for assistance in figuring out the history of these items. My grandfather was a WWII, Korean, Vietnam veteran this raised a question as to why he would be in possession of a great war helmet. So I will attach a couple pictures. I am thinking it might have belonged to his father. Thank you for your help.
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    What you have is a M1917A1, which is WWI style helmet that was updated.

    Numbers stamped on the bottom side of the shell would tell which version you have. It could be a WWI M1917 helmet refursbished and updated to a M1917A1 helmet in or around 1936, or a new made M1917A1 manufactured around 1941. The way to tell it's a M1917A1 configuration versus M1917 is the liner. The M1917A1 was used in the early stages of WWII prior to the introduction of the M1 Helmet.

    Sorry for the delay in answering your question, been busy with Hurricane Michael recovery of my severely damaged house. I will be more than happy to help you with your helmet questions.
    Last edited by ffuries; Nov 29, 2018 at 08:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameslm92 View Post
    Hello my name is James Moore when cleaning out a shed in my backyard I found a box. I opened it and found a couple things I found to be interesting I am reaching out for assistance in figuring out the history of these items. My grandfather was a WWII, Korean, Vietnam veteran this raised a question as to why he would be in possession of a great war helmet. So I will attach a couple pictures. I am thinking it might have belonged to his father. Thank you for your help.
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    On the bottom side of the helmet rim, there should be a series of numbers/letters stamped into the shell. These numbers will tell us if it's a WWI era or Post WWI era shell. On your helmet they are on the left side of the picture. Using a cell phone I can't make them out all they way.

    Post back with the numbers and I'll tell you which it is, regardless it's a sweet looking lid. Other than an occasional dusting don't go overboard on cleaning it, this will only decrease the value of the helmet should you decide to sell in the future.

    ETA: More staring at the photo your shell is marked HS ?? so that makes it a British made Mk 1 converted to M1917A1. The HS denotes Hadfield Ltd, who made helmets from 1916 to 1919.

    Before the US began making what is called the M1917 helmet, the British supplied Mk 1 helmets to the US as a stop gap measure until we could ramp up production. So you'll see a lot of British made Mk 1s in US service/use. These British made, US used Mk 1s were still in US stocks when we began updating them to the M1917A1 so you'll see both US made M1917s and British made Mk 1s upgraded to US M1917A1 standards. So your helmet after modification was used just prior to and in early WWII service whether in the US or overseas until replaced with the M1 helmet.

    That's not to say the helmet didn't see WWI use overseas or in the US either. Figured I'd add that remark.

    The American M1917 is a US made copy of the British Mk 1 helmet, with only a few differences such as how the liner or chin strap buckles/brackets are attached and how the chinstrap is manufactured.

    Hope all my babble makes sense for you, and gives you plenty of information. If you have any additional questions on this helmet or others please don't hesitate to post here and reach out to me.

    From this vet, thank you for your grandfather's and possibly great grandfather's service.
    Last edited by ffuries; Nov 29, 2018 at 08:45 PM.
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    Ok I think i got a good shot of the digits you are speaking of. They are the only ones I can really make out. Once again thank you again and I hope its the right ones if not let me know. Yes my grandfather is in my mind a very honorable man for his service. My father also served for over 20 years in the Army retiring as a WO2 so an interesting life I have had my grandfather was attached to president Kennedy's Yacht that sailed around Washington area. I just found his orders for that, and my father was the personal medic attached to General Omar Bradley. I remember as a kid playing around at his house. On Fort Dix if I remember correctly. We where stationed in Germany when President Reagan bombed Libya and we got military escort home from school in Giessen. If all that history isnt enough just think about how Army Navy games where at our house. So yeah I am proud of my military haritage and so heartbroken when my friend got in a car crash and I broke my back 2 days before I signed my last papers to join the Navy. My Father and grandfather have passed but I means a lot to me to honor them and your words bring me pride and appreciation. So thank you also for your service and helping me track down this helmet and see if it opens a new legacy for my family. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameslm92 View Post
    Ok I think i got a good shot of the digits you are speaking of. They are the only ones I can really make out. Once again thank you again and I hope its the right ones if not let me know. Yes my grandfather is in my mind a very honorable man for his service. My father also served for over 20 years in the Army retiring as a WO2 so an interesting life I have had my grandfather was attached to president Kennedy's Yacht that sailed around Washington area. I just found his orders for that, and my father was the personal medic attached to General Omar Bradley. I remember as a kid playing around at his house. On Fort Dix if I remember correctly. We where stationed in Germany when President Reagan bombed Libya and we got military escort home from school in Giessen. If all that history isnt enough just think about how Army Navy games where at our house. So yeah I am proud of my military haritage and so heartbroken when my friend got in a car crash and I broke my back 2 days before I signed my last papers to join the Navy. My Father and grandfather have passed but I means a lot to me to honor them and your words bring me pride and appreciation. So thank you also for your service and helping me track down this helmet and see if it opens a new legacy for my family. Click image for larger version. 

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    I know the pride of being in a military family quite well. My dad was career USAF he did 26 years, my brother did 20 in the USAF, I did 23 in the USAF before being medically retired, and my oldest did 10 years in the Marines. So our family had nonstop military service from Jun 1962 to Jun 2017. Growing up in a military family is a special and unique honor that only "Brats" like us understand, and I wear the term "Brat" with honor.

    The codes on the helmet confirm it's a British made Mk1 WWI era helmet upgraded to M1917A1 standards just prior to WWII. The helmet could very well have been issued to your relative prior to or during the early part of WWII. So document the helmet history and information, and cherish the highly probable connection to your relative, display it in his honor. We lose our heroes everyday and all we have left are the memories and when lucky something they touched, wore, used.

    Again thank you for your families service and sacrifices to this great country of ours. Also thank you for your attempt and willingness to join up, signing up is something only a small percentage of Americans do. In your case there is no dishonor in the circumstances that prevented you from completing your goal.

    If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to reach out to me......military history and memorabilia is a passion of mine.
    Last edited by ffuries; Dec 04, 2018 at 02:26 AM.
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    How about these numbers on what appears to be a US 1917?
    I believe it starts with HC but could be UC. Thanks, Sean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Man View Post
    How about these numbers on what appears to be a US 1917?
    I believe it starts with HC but could be UC. Thanks, Sean
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    Sometimes using white chalk or white grease pencil (China marker) can bring out the details of the stampings, making them easier fo read. Rub it over the stampings filling them in, then wipe the excess off. If in fact a UC ?? marking it would make it an US made M1917 helmet.
    Last edited by ffuries; Feb 12, 2019 at 02:49 AM.
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