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  1. #1
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    Machine gun belt?

    Marked "DEN 43", all rounds have a read cap and was told they could be tracers from machine guns on
    aircraft, i haven't a clue as to what they are, any help would be appreciated.


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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Yes, you have a machine gun belt (s) but the bullets are blanks used for traning only.
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    Desertfox
    (Paul)

  3. #3
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by desertfox
    Yes, you have a machine gun belt (s) but the bullets are blanks used for traning only.
    I appreciate the id/clarification, thanks!
    "Carelessness, overconfidence and arrogance are our greatest enemies."

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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    .50 caliber(12.7 mm) blanks whats the poop/story on those 8)
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    Re: Machine gun belt?


    maybe

    * Cartridge, Caliber .50, Tracer, Headlight, M21

    Tracer for use in observing fire during air-to-air combat. Designed to be more visible, the M21 is 3 times more brilliant than the M1 tracer.
    All animals are equal, but some are more equal then others. -George Orwell

  6. #6
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by EDDE
    .50 caliber(12.7 mm) blanks whats the poop/story on those 8)
    No real story, when i bought my house, i found this along and 2 Korean war era items
    in cabinet of the garage.

    One smoke grenade, red, still in the sealed can and a somewhat scary item, a training
    grenade, which i am having a hard time disposing of properly. (M116A1)

    That particular item is locked up tight until i can figure out the best way to dispose of it.



    "Carelessness, overconfidence and arrogance are our greatest enemies."

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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksheep
    Quote Originally Posted by EDDE
    .50 caliber(12.7 mm) blanks whats the poop/story on those 8)
    No real story, when i bought my house, i found this along and 2 Korean war era items
    in cabinet of the garage.

    One smoke grenade, red, still in the sealed can and a somewhat scary item, a training
    grenade, which i am having a hard time disposing of properly. (M116A1)

    That particular item is locked up tight until i can figure out the best way to dispose of it.




    Disposal is easy.


    1. Pull pin.


    2. Throw down hill.



    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button, 1820s or 1830s
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Two 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  8. #8
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Lol, i have thought of doing just that so many times,, only thing is, is it`s plastic bodied and due to
    its age, i hesitate to find out if that fuse timer still works.
    "Carelessness, overconfidence and arrogance are our greatest enemies."

  9. #9
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    There is a smart way and a dumb way to find out...

    While you still have fingers to push the phone buttons, the smart way is to contact a munitions disposal unit (Military, Police or Fire Dept) to collect and dispose of it.

    The dumb way is to let your kids or grandkids play with them...
    The more one learns the more he understands his ignorance. I am simply an ignor ant man trying to lessen his ignorance
    Those with the most birthdays live the longest

  10. #10

    Nov 2006
    WI
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Blacksheep, did you get my PM ? Yep them are blanks, if your looking at the markings on the head of the brass like the one in this picture. I think DEN is the mfg. of the brass and 43 is the year, I have the same thing in a clip for my M1 Garand. If you had one that said DEN 762, the 762 could stand for the cal., 7.62mm, which would be .30 cal. Not sure what weapons they used during Korean war, if older it could be from a 1919, I know they still used the M1 then so they still may have used the 1919.
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by stefen
    There is a smart way and a dumb way to find out...

    While you still have fingers to push the phone buttons, the smart way is to contact a munitions disposal unit (Military, Police or Fire Dept) to collect and dispose of it.

    The dumb way is to let your kids or grandkids play with them...
    The smart way you mention, got me nowhere fast, the first call was to the local police, who in turn had me contact the closest military unit ...80 miles away, called them and they explained their "amnesty" program which was nothing more than dropping it off, i have no intention of driving 80 miles with the thing in my car and taking a chance it would go off. ( fire dept had the same answer as its not explosive "enough" )

    I tend to agree that letting the grand kids/kids play with it would be a bad idea, that's why you don't see it mentioned.
    "Carelessness, overconfidence and arrogance are our greatest enemies."

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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Wrap them in a baby blanket and then put it in a cardboard box...leave the box on the local fire station's front door...press the door bell and run

    May as well have some fun while your at it.
    The more one learns the more he understands his ignorance. I am simply an ignor ant man trying to lessen his ignorance
    Those with the most birthdays live the longest

  13. #13
    gb
    Aug 2008
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    The code DEN refers to Denver Ordnance plant, Denver, Colo., USA which was operated by the Remington arms company. 43 does indeed refer to the year, 1943. Can you post a pic of the other carts you referred to with 762 on them ? These are unusual if they don't also carry the year of manufacture.

    As to the grenades.....send them to me ! (by land and sea ofc). I'll set the buggers off !

    Woot !

    ww2digger

  14. #14
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by ww2digger
    The code DEN refers to Denver Ordnance plant, Denver, Colo., USA which was operated by the Remington arms company. 43 does indeed refer to the year, 1943. Can you post a pic of the other carts you referred to with 762 on them ? These are unusual if they don't also carry the year of manufacture.

    As to the grenades.....send them to me ! (by land and sea ofc). I'll set the buggers off !

    Woot !

    ww2digger
    For clarification: I had sent a PM to JB some time back asking his thoughts on the ammo belt, i sent him incorrect information, how and where i came up with the " den 762" I cannot explain. I do apologize for the
    confusion.

    Also, i believe both grenades are Korean war era, not the ammo belt. The smoke grenade is still sealed in a gray canister (with key on the the bottom similar to whats used to open canned ham) .

    I wish i had more experience with military munitions, fact is i have none and i have no clue as to the reliability
    or stability of the fuse, even though its a practice round, it could cause serious damage to the hand that someday hopefully, will swing a metal detector.

    One last point, proper disposal, when i contacted our local police, i did it carefully as i did not want the bomb squad showing up in my neighborhood making a huge production out of nothing more than an over-glorified
    m80. I had no need to worry as the officer i spoke with showed little interest in helping and needed to prod him for a number to call, same with the fire dept, they basically told me to call 911 if i felt that strongly about it.

    This was 4 year ago, to this day i wonder how many other people have similar if not stronger stuff laying around , not knowing how to get rid of it without making the evening news.
    "Carelessness, overconfidence and arrogance are our greatest enemies."

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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=72938

    08/25/2008

    Suitcase Full of Explosives Found at Estate Auction


    A recently deceased Navy veteran's belongings were ready to be sold at an estate auction on Saturday morning. Just before the start of the auction, auctioneers opened a padlocked and rusting suitcase and discovered three blocks of military-grade C-4.
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  16. #16
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Blacksheep's estate sale:



    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Machine gun belt?-boom-.jpg   Machine gun belt?-boom-.jpg  
    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button, 1820s or 1830s
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Two 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  17. #17
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Blacksheep's estate sale:



    LOL, okok, i`ll pop it in the next couple of weeks, `spose you`ll be wanting pics.
    "Carelessness, overconfidence and arrogance are our greatest enemies."

  18. #18
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    Re: Machine gun belt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksheep
    `spose you`ll be wanting pics.


    Throw 'em up here!



    Woooooooot!



    -B.B. in B.F.E.
    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button, 1820s or 1830s
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Two 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  19. #19
    gb
    Aug 2008
    28

    Re: Machine gun belt?

    I loved the comment in that news article about the C4.....

    Faulkner County Sheriff Karl Byrd stressed that owning dynamite or plastic explosives without the proper permissions is "definitely illegal".

    ....LMAO ! Yeah.......well done mate. Like the Pope is DEFINITELY Roman Catholic... -.- -.-

    People say the silliest things ....

 

 

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