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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    ..... i like following up on old myths......

    This is a good point to arise out of the discussion. That you acknowledge that the genre/type of tips you speaking of (to pass on to the next generation) is of the genre of "old myths". So long as we acknowledge/agree that they are of this type and class.

    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    ..... They feel the vibrations and the water is there. I would guess your man is a Treasure Witch. .....
    And it is "telling" that you lend credence to this method of TH'ing: Dowsing to find treasure. Not discussing water here (save that for another thread). Only in-so-far as it relates to treasure. If I've understood your post correctly, you believe in the validity of this. Ok, that should be another indication of the genre of tips that you are passing on.


    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    ...... I like the telephone game. Sure the last person has it totally wrong, but if ask the first they have most of the facts.....
    Ahhh, but here's where the devil is in the details: If there is "no treasure", then it doesn't matter HOW much "fact from fiction is sorted out". It doesn't matter HOW far back in the telephone game you go. The fact would remain (in that case), that there is no treasure.

    I will give you a humorous example in my next post of this "telephone game" and how it wouldn't make any difference how far back into the game that one goes.
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  2. #32

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    Example of "The Telephone game" :

    A buddy of mine was working a sidewalk demolition project that was going on in his city's old-town district. Each day, the construction workers would tear out a half block of the downtown commercial district. And then replace it with new walks all in the same day. And then a few days later, would progress to the next section of the block, and so forth. Hence my friend could NOT wait till the end of the day (5pm when the workers cut out). Because otherwise it would already be laid with new concrete. He literally had to go during their lunch hour, to get onto the dirt (yesteryear wooden sidewalk zones).

    And he was getting seateds, barbers, V's, tokens, etc.... However, as you can imagine, it took delicate discretion to not get booted (stepping over the ribbon and past the orange cones, right in the middle of broad daylight busy street). So he learned to "grease the wheels" of the construction workers. Getting on their good side by passing out common V nickels and IH's After the workers curiosity was satisfied, they would then turn a blind eye to him being there And each day, when they'd return from lunch, they would go to see what his latest finds of each day was. And he would pass out another coin or two to keep up his good graces .

    One day along with a few common coins and whatzits, my friend found a small owl-shaped amulet. About the size of a chess piece. It was gold in color, and had red jewel looking things for the owl's eyes. When it came time to show the workers his daily finds, he pulled that out of his apron and mused "Might be gold". (The workers were amazed!). And then, pointing to the 2 red jewels in the eyes he mused "might be rubies" (again, the workers were besides themselves with fascination). And then my friend mused "probably 1800's" (since that was the age of some of the coins coming from this block-section).

    That night my friend went home and sorted, cleaned and studied his finds. When he got to the owl charm thing, he got it under better light and magnification. Turns out it was only gold plated. Not gold. And the red jewel eyes ? Just glass chips, not rubies. Turns out it was just 1920s costume jewelry junk, so he promptly threw it in the trash can.

    The next day, he was back out where they had progressed to another section of block. As he was hunting, he could see a worker in the distance eyeing him intently. The worker got off his tractor and approached closer, studying my friend. My friend could see that it was a new worker, that he had not previously seen on any days. Eventually the worker got brave enough to approach my friend, asking "what have you found?" As it turns out: My friend had not found anything good this day so far. After telling the worker "nothing good so far", the worker launched into a story about how the previous day, a guy had found "gold coin(s)" !

    My friend was floored! He assumed that he must have left too early. And that apparently someone must've came after him, and found gold coins(s)! He pressed the worker for details. The worker was utterly convinced that a gold coin was found the prior day, and it was "from the 1800's", etc..... My friend was wondering who came behind him, cursing his bad luck for apparently missing something good, leaving too early, or whatever.

    As he and the worker conversed about the "gold coin(s)", a curious word slipped out of the worker's mouth: "owl". IMMEDIATELY my friend knew that the worker was talking about HIM ! So he corrected the worker saying "No, That was me". And "no, the owl wasn't gold, it was only gold plated". And "...No, none of the coins were gold". BUT THE WORKER WOULD NOT BE DISSUADED. He assumed that some other metal detector guy must've arrived later and found a gold coin. Because you see: He had it on good authority: He heard it this morning around the water cooler, as the other workers talked of all the finds a guy with a detector was making the previous day.

    Now obviously you see that the man mis-understood his buddies. He was mixing up terms and words. But think about it: If that man's memoirs were written down, and 100 yrs. from now someone looking at old newspaper clippings, or reading a diary entry, reads about this, it's going to seem PRETTY BULLET PROOF TRUE. Right ? Hard to argue with eye-witnesses right ? Sounds like someone , 100 yrs. from now , should tear out the sidewalks to "get the rest of the gold", right ? After all, those workers were duly appointed by the city to be there, authorized, etc... Right ? Thus indisputable, eh ?

    And it won't matter how much facts you find in this game. Eg.: the names of the workers, their social security #'s, the dates of the sidewalk tearouts, the reliability of their nature and sincerities, etc..... You can sort fact from fiction, and trace back the telephone game all you want. But the fact remains: If there is no treasure, then there is no treasure.

    This is what humors me when discussing the camp-fire lore caliber genre treasure legends. The believer will admit (if you press them) that it's possible that there is fiction (embellishment over time) that could have crept into the story. They will admit (if you press them) that telephone game gets involved. But they will be quick to point out (as you have done here), that it's "merely a matter of sorting fact from fiction". Sure. But this fails to take into account that perhaps there was never a treasure to begin with. What I mean is, the catchy "fact from fiction" line simply assumes that a treasure is, of necessity, there to find. Says who ? Perhaps the entire thing just has more plausible explanations from the git-go, and no treasure necessarily exists.

    See ?
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  3. #33
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    When they were excavating in New Orleans for the Super Dome, many cashes of treasure were found and publicized. True. When they were bringing in land fill to build the new running track at City Park in New Orleans, a worker found a pre-Civil War era silver dollar and took it to a coin collector and sold it. The collector called us (my cousin and I) one of his main suppliers and he told us the story. We worked the ground after the crews left and found many more. We attempted to locate the source but the trucks were coming in from all over. We had to be satisfied with what we could find each evening. $172.00 face value. We sold them to the dealer at the silver spot market and everyone was happy. True it was not a fortune but it was a win, non the less.

    I know where a Confederate Treasure is. I had given the information to another treasure hunter along with the names of people who could verify the story. Hurricane Katrina came right after that and I have no way of knowing if he followed up on it. If he did, there is no way he could have found all of it, as people who knew could only find a few coins at a time. Spread that out over the thousands of coins and the area involved, and you would never be allowed to use any machinery to recover it.
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  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    When they were excavating in New Orleans for the Super Dome, many cashes of treasure were found and publicized. True. ....
    Old town urban demolition sites are the "last frontier" in virgin ground hunting. Some of my best old coin count days come from being in such sites. But the window-of-time can be slim. Ie.: the delicate timing of being there right when the old building (or sidewalk , or park turf, etc...) is scraped off, yet 1) before they scrape *too* deep, and 2) before fill-dirt is added.

    Also this type of hunting is not for pansy wussies. If you're afraid of fences, and hunting at night, then forget it. All demolition/construction sites nowadays have obligatory fences around them. Back when I first started in the late 1970s, they had nothing but a few orange cones and some ribbon. But in our litigious age we live in, (and thefts of const. equipment?), they started to get fences in the 1980s. And you can ask permission till you're blue in the face and guess what the answer will be ?

    So it's a type hunting venue that you have to have ... uh ... balls. That's what God invented Cat-keys after all for
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  5. #35
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    I have another one. While recovering form my injuries from sticking my nose where it did not belong, VIETNAM. I remember when it was two words, but when I was there it was actually three. Viet F...... Nam, anyway I degrees. Late 1960's, I was working for my step-father doing painting and general reconstruction work on an old house in New Orleans, one of the men pulled off a baseboard and found a stash of $20.00 gold coins. I think that is was the point where I was really hooked. I always check the baseboards, never found anything there, but someone, someday may. In San Antonio I purchased a $35.00 Jetco M.D. went back to my home on a Louisiana Plantation site and started working the area. Within the first thirty minutes I found a gold hunter case pocket watch. The face was cracked and the works were rusted. I then purchased an $85.00, Jecto and located the well near the remains of the house, in the woods across the street from my house. I checked the collapsed well and got a very strong reading and dug and dug, it was an anvil I took it home and put it in the garage. I was still there when I sold the house. I also found lots of railroad spikes. Research showed that a railroad track ran there about a hundred years before.

    During one of my stays in a hospital in New Orleans I met a man that lived near that house. We became very close friends and he showed me Spanish silver dollars from the 1700's that he had found near there. my cousin and I made several trips to the site, but never found anything but big alligators. One man with a metal detector got a strong signal in the area and dug until the hole started filling up with water. He hired a crew to continue, they dredged the hole and brought up an old anchor. He through it into the bayou and left.

    Tom, why do you do this to me, I want to go treasure hunting again.
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  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    ... Tom, why do you do this to me, I want to go treasure hunting again.
    haha, well at 56 yrs. old, I recall the "adults" I detected with back when I was in my 20s. In the 1980s. And some of them are gone now. Others are in their 70s or 80's and not hunting much at all. So a part of me starts to think "Gee, I better get more detecting done now". My knees are already telling me I'm not in my 20's anymore, doh!

    I have a giant list of places I eventually intend to check out. And in the old days, such a list was quickly depleted, d/t too much time and energy on my hands. Now I notice that such a list takes longer to "chalk off". So I sort of have to put work and family on hold, and (at the risk or irresponsibility) MAKE time to chase the latest research spot.

    Just discovered a spot where a few seateds arose, and is brimming with targets. We have no doubt found a virgin site. But ... it's a long drive, and my buddy and I chalk it up to "let's wait till the fall/winter foilage die-off when the grass heights will be lower". And the other part of me is thinking "wait a minute, I'll be a year older then". Doh!
    Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!

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    Quick note then off to therapy:
    In our last group we had a millionaire, best M.D.'s best contacts. We went to places you would never get invited to. Gave a top of the line M.D. to one of the members and went off to live with a doper daughter and got murdered.
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    Hey 45th Johnny i would love you help finding any kind of civil war or outlaws den or treasure in rankin ms or heck even old native American artifacts thanks in advance
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    I live on an Indian mound, but you can't dig here, my wife will shoot you. Indian mounds are easy to find. They are on top of just about any natural rise of ground in the state that has or had water for transportation and water to drink. Ours has all that, the mound is high in the middle with a raised ring on the outside, like a bulls eye. My brothers looks like a deer's head from the air, some think it is a horse's head.
    Civil War, along the old railroad tracks, if you can find the, especially at water crossings. I have battlefield maps of Vicksburg as well as all of the CW, but the troops usually followed the railroad and made camp at streams.
    Outlaws, Adams, Calhoun, Claiborne, Green, Hancock, Harrison, Sunflower and Warren Counties.
    Let me know what tickles your fancy and I will crack the books and files for you,
    Thanks for making my morning a little bit brighter.
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    Sir any of those i perfer in rankin or hinds county since my stroke they wont let me drive far..I had to retire from law enforcement and the state after 26 yrs i miss it..alot
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    I retired from the military at 21, Law Enforcement at 41. Worked my way up and at the end I worked undercover ops and drugs from Brownsville to The Florida Keys. I do not miss it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Ahh, the Sir Francis Drake legend, eh ? I'm going to go out on a limb here and surmise that the caliber of "tips" you are wanting to pass on to the next generation is the "lore" and "legend" caliber stuff. Eh ? And sure "maps" for all-such campfire stories no doubt circulate. (Lost Dutchman, etc....)

    But I do notice that in your OP you say you've had successes. Did you mean caches ? Or were you referring to individual coin-hunting ? If you meant caches: Were any found chasing these fabled old-time stories? Or were they just personal local history for your area ? Eg.: Tips from the next-of-kin, etc.... Or perhaps ones you found digging larger signals around old cellar holes or whatever.
    Tom your Pushing your Luck !

    You know how I feel about Nay sayers on Tnet.
    especially when the Comments start looking like Personal attacks
    on others opinions.
    Last edited by jeff of pa; Sep 08, 2017 at 06:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    I live on an Indian mound, but you can't dig here, my wife will shoot you. Indian mounds are easy to find. They are on top of just about any natural rise of ground in the state that has or had water for transportation and water to drink. Ours has all that, the mound is high in the middle with a raised ring on the outside, like a bulls eye. My brothers looks like a deer's head from the air, some think it is a horse's head.
    Civil War, along the old railroad tracks, if you can find the, especially at water crossings. I have battlefield maps of Vicksburg as well as all of the CW, but the troops usually followed the railroad and made camp at streams.
    Outlaws, Adams, Calhoun, Claiborne, Green, Hancock, Harrison, Sunflower and Warren Counties.
    Let me know what tickles your fancy and I will crack the books and files for you,
    Thanks for making my morning a little bit brighter.
    Thanks for the warning about your Mrs.!
    If I'm caught ,I'll pretend to be doing dishes. That should delay a shot and give me time to come up with a better strategy.....

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    Jeff, Tom is on board with everything, he was just trying to keep me straight. I was never able to find that map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45th_Johnny View Post
    Jeff, Tom is on board with everything, he was just trying to keep me straight. I was never able to find that map.
    Thanks Being here so long, I notice members that seem to have a Negative opinion on Treasures,
    of all ages. I'm ok with members not Believing certain Stories. There are a Few I don't
    believe in . Mainly the ones hocus Pocus is said to be involved in creating.
    But members who seem to doubt everything.
    Even New Treasures that people sell clues for. & makes what I perceive as Unwelcome hints.
    I feel it's my duty here to give reminders

    we had a member here years ago. He always Went on the attack
    accusing members who believed in big treasures of being scammers

    I really don't want a repeat of those days here.

    I should add Tom's a Good Contributor here.
    Good to see that Maybe I over reacted
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