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    Treasure explorer. For fun and some excitement

    Oct 2007
    Joplin Mo
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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    I just read a little before retiring. And I saw someone talking about Noble Hill.
    Your not talking about the one north or Joplin are you?

    sunnysup

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  2. #17

    Oct 2007
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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    yeah i am, but its 12 miles north of springfield thoug, not joplin mate.


    Evvan

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    I have heard of the story about the rock with the Spanish writing on it, and also how they had gold and were being threatened by Indians. There appears to be several variations of this story. Unfortunately the rock is a total fake, i know a couple of old timers who chisled it out because they were mad about something, not sure what it was about or who. Just know they claim to have made it all up.

    The only area I know of locally where the Spaniards were even close is around Mt. Vernon, Mo. It is about 30 miles west of Spfld. Mo. There is still some evidence of a Spanish earthen fort that remains, I have not seen it myself but know a few folks that have. Another story is about a cave along Jordon creek near Spfld. Mo. that supposedly contains gold and silver. A few people have dug holes and used some heavy equipment to find it with no luck. The supposed map leads you on quite a journey, looking for this sign and that. I thought it sounded pretty unbelievable myself. My opinion is if there was any gold or Spanish treasure it is gone now as the countryside has been developed so much.
    One hoard of silver coins was uncovered by excavators in the Ft. Leanord Wood area. It was noticed by the equipment operators shining in the dirt as they moved dirt to a new officers housing addition at the Fort. This happened in the 60's i believe. They figured out it was the Tilley treasure. Tilley was found hung on a tree in his yard with his house on fire, this taking place during the Civil War.
    I have the book and it Say's he was disliked by the Union as well as the CS. This area was his old homesite.
    The book Say's some people even went to the area on base where the dirt was spread out and found still more silver in the dirt at the officers complex. It also Say's word spread fast and the entire field was full of locals raking and searching for the coins. Now this story I believe was true. The name of the book is called the Tilley Treasure.
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    Jun 2008
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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    If you're still interested in this treasure I live near st louis and be more than happy to drive down and put the man hours in on finding it. If you could get a copy of the map or a picture of it I have access to some old maps of the area that could help. just let me know.

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Ive been reading all your post and got alittle confused on all the sites that were being lumped together. It seems to me that most of the sites stories are getting confused with one another. Ive research stories and legends in all those areas in various versions for many many years . One must be careful be cause it is easy to overlap stories, thinking you may have two separate legends and in fact it is the same, just another version.

    As for the spanish stone mentioned by "tsgman", it sounds to me like you are talking about the "Spanish Mystery Stone". This stone is in fact a fake. A reuse created by a disgruntle citizen whose land was seized by the government , specifically the park lands division.

    I myself had heard of the story and found out that the stone was being held in the Wilsons Creek Battlefield Museum. My job takes me to alot of the areas that I research, so I decided to check out the stone while I was there. I spoke with the museum curator and was told this story; the parks held this artifact in the highest regard of being an actual piece of history and had it on display for years. The stone itself was actually only half of the stone, thus the mystery and why no one could fully decipher the etchings upon it. One day a gentleman walks in and is staring at the stone and the curator comes over and begins to tell him the story and the mystery. The man then turns to the museum curator and asks her if the museum would like the other half to the stone, for it has been sitting in his back yard for many many years. Dumbfounded the curator asks him to explain, he then reveals that he is the grandson (or great grandson) of the man who carved the stone and placed it were it was found. "Why!?", the curator asked. The man then tells her of the battle for the property that his grandfather, or great grandfather ,owned (Wilsons Creek Battlefield--Or a large potion of it) and that the government wanted it for historical preservation. When the mans grandfather (or great grandfather) refused to sell it or refused the minuscule price offered, the government took it with out any form of payment (sound familiar). The mans relative angry came up with his own idea to get back at the government by making it look like the fool. Little did he realize how long the stone and the story would last.

    I know all this because the story was related to me by the very same curator that was told the story by the grandson at Wilson Creek Battlefield Museum. The stone, no longer on display, now is in storage.

    Anyone know anything about the Church Hollow treasure?

    Would love to do some cache hunting with anyone on some of these sites!
    Eyes & Ears Open, Mouth Closed!

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Well BW, you just saved me a trip to the museum. I was wanting to stop by there sometime on a Saturday after work. The story itself sounded a little strange because of the lack of info on the stone itself. There's still the Noble Hill treasure which I'm hoping to do more research on when I have the time...

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Smart man,

    Do the research and then hunt.
    This guy is bound to be successful.

    Thom
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    "But not everybody lives."

  8. #23
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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Ive reread Ozarkians original post and found that it bears no resemblance to the story of the Spanish Mystery Stone being kept at Wilson's Creek Battlefield Museum. Im going dive into my files to see how many stories and legends I can cross reference to find n close as possible match to the story put forth by Ozarkian. Of course one as well as all must take in consideration the numerous caches of wagon loads of bullion, ore, payrolls, etc. made through out those volatile years. As well as the possibility that the said carvings could be of some origin other than Spanish. You would be surprised how often Spanish, Indian, and Anglo petroglyphs are mistaken for one another. If you (Ozarkian) would like to contact me for any research help, or possible translation of, or identification of; markings, sighs , glyohs , etc. I offer my services to you. I am interested in your story.
    Eyes & Ears Open, Mouth Closed!

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Holy cow fellas, and ladies !

    I am new to the site but read this thread with much intrest.

    I live in Southern California but grew up on a farm in Jasper, then later went to high school in Carthage. I have lived in So. Cal for the past 20 years.

    When I was in Scouts in Jasper every year we would go to a camp spot in 'Pineville' (?) We would camp on the 'little piney' or maybe 'big piney' river, I tell you what, later tonight I will look on G-Earth maps and find the place. Anyway... one year we were doing a Scout activity where we would have 2 groups and everyone in both groups would have sandwich bags full of flour and hide in the woods in that area and ambush each other with the flour bags. Pretty-much the pre-courser to nowdays 'paint ball'. heh. (poor man's paintball, lol lol) Anyway... anyway.. I was playing with 2 or 3 other fellas and we came across this nice size cave opening. It was really hidden on the side of a bluff, from one edge of the cave entrance you can see the river down below.... but you cant see the cave from the river or the road.. We (maybe 5 or more of us plus our scout master) later went to explore the cave and I remember you could walk upright into it with no problem, the entrance is pretty skinny, and the main room was too high for me to touch at that time ( I was like 14 at that time i think) I remember there being bats in it here and there mostly in the creags in the ceiling. In one area, deeper in there was a circle in the sand where it looked like someone may have had a large fire ring (but no sign of fire, at all) or maybe where something had been burried. It was a circle about 6 foot diameter and it had a depression about .... maybe 2 feet in the middle, some of us sat in it and took a picture, (no I no longer have the photo).

    Wow I totaly forgot about that camp trip untill I read this thread.. heh.

    Now I will go over some G-Earth maps and see if I can locate it, I will give my Brother a call (He's in Eureka Springs Arkansas) and see if he remembers where it was ... he was with us, he might remember.

    I'll keep ya all updated if I find it, might make a real smart expedition.

    Rock on

    Vince in So. $ Cal

    Happy Hunting
    Vin.

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    I'll tell you what Vince... if you would do me the favor of trying your best to locate this area, I will provide Google Earth Pro for you (if you want it). I also used Microsoft LiveMaps (http://maps.live.com/), which sometimes gets me in closer than Google Earth does.
    Just let me know if you could use it by a private message on here, and I'll get it to you.

    Thanks!
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    Rom. 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by Vin-Diesel
    Holy cow fellas, and ladies !

    I am new to the site but read this thread with much intrest.

    I live in Southern California but grew up on a farm in Jasper, then later went to high school in Carthage. I have lived in So. Cal for the past 20 years.

    When I was in Scouts in Jasper every year we would go to a camp spot in 'Pineville' (?) We would camp on the 'little piney' or maybe 'big piney' river, I tell you what, later tonight I will look on G-Earth maps and find the place. Anyway... one year we were doing a Scout activity where we would have 2 groups and everyone in both groups would have sandwich bags full of flour and hide in the woods in that area and ambush each other with the flour bags. Pretty-much the pre-courser to nowdays 'paint ball'. heh. (poor man's paintball, lol lol) Anyway... anyway.. I was playing with 2 or 3 other fellas and we came across this nice size cave opening. It was really hidden on the side of a bluff, from one edge of the cave entrance you can see the river down below.... but you cant see the cave from the river or the road.. We (maybe 5 or more of us plus our scout master) later went to explore the cave and I remember you could walk upright into it with no problem, the entrance is pretty skinny, and the main room was too high for me to touch at that time ( I was like 14 at that time i think) I remember there being bats in it here and there mostly in the creags in the ceiling. In one area, deeper in there was a circle in the sand where it looked like someone may have had a large fire ring (but no sign of fire, at all) or maybe where something had been burried. It was a circle about 6 foot diameter and it had a depression about .... maybe 2 feet in the middle, some of us sat in it and took a picture, (no I no longer have the photo).

    Wow I totaly forgot about that camp trip untill I read this thread.. heh.

    Now I will go over some G-Earth maps and see if I can locate it, I will give my Brother a call (He's in Eureka Springs Arkansas) and see if he remembers where it was ... he was with us, he might remember.

    I'll keep ya all updated if I find it, might make a real smart expedition.

    Rock on

    Vince in So. $ Cal

    if you were in Pineville, MO, you were either on Big Sugar or Little Sugar which combine with Indian Creek to form Elk river...and Yes, there are tons of caves in that area

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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    A little update on the Spanish stone. I met a guy who knew the fella that carved it, He even said he helped him take it out to the property! This guy joined our club 417 Relic Hunters in Springfield, Mo. He is in his middle 70's and a super nice guy.
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  13. #28
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    Feb 2010
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    Re: Joplin Missouri and the Spanish Treasure Map Rock

    Hi, I don't know if anybody's still interested in this, but the spanish treasure cave story matches exactly with the story that you hear at the "Spanish Treasure Cave". It's a cave that is open to the public, and gives guided tours. It's on hwy 59, just a couple of miles across the Arkansas line. They even have a rock with"real" spanish markings on it. It's been 5 years or so since I was there, but best I recall, they gave a pretty good treasure story with the tour. Fun thing to do if you're in the area at least.
    About the Pineville cave that was mentioned, the caves in that area were used by both sides during the civil war, could have been from that. Also, it is confirmed that Jesse James used at least one cave there as a hideout. There was even a movie made there about James back in the 1930's. They have Jesse James days there every year!
    Anyway, just thought I'd share what info I had.
    Russ

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    This is a very old thread but I'm hoping someone is still here. If the guy was mad about Wilson Creek why did the stone end up in Joplin? Does anyone know where to find the stone and or drawings, or pictures of the stone? I will be going to the Joplin museum to talk with them to see what info they may have.

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    In the early 1960's three of us kids found a tiny opening with a chiseled rectangle above it. We never figured out what it said. I crawled down a very tight tunnel( even as a skinny twelve year old. It opened up into a sizeable chamber with dirt floors. It was our secret hideout so we never told anyone where it was. This was located near a creek about ten miles south of Joplin

 

 
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