Old south american indian boleadoras

[rammjäger]

Hello,
this is a piece of a so called boleadoras .This relic was found near
the beach togheter with harrow heads and some ceramic potteries.
Its age is difficult to determine.It could be some 200 years or even older.
HH
Mike

 

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[CRUSADER]

I found an similar stone, I'll try & get a photo soon. No ID as to what it was used for but I've not heard off such a weapon being used in the UK Although it could be possible I'm not sure.

I thought mine to be a net weight or loom weight.

 

[rammjäger]

I found an similar stone, I'll try & get a photo soon. No ID what it was used for but I've not heard off such a weapon being used in the UK Although it could be possible I'm not sure.

I thought mine to be a net weight or loom weight.

Hi Crusader,
I will wait until seeing your Pic.There is also the possibility it could have been brought
to England from some collector sometime in the past.
Just as I did.......
The other day someone posted here in Germany an original US Civil War buckle found
near Berlin !

 

[CRUSADER]

See below:

 

[rammjäger]

These stones were almost always perfect rounded shape.
At least the ones I have seen. These Boleadoras were
confectionated with two somtimes even three stones.
If you allow me, I will send this photo to an specialist friend
of mine in Uruguay in order to have his opinion as well. OK?
The last recorded history use of these weapons by the Gauchos
were during the civil wars in Uruguay in 1904.
By that time ,the stones were wrap in leder.
They say an expert could get a rider and his horse hit a distance up to
100 meters !

 

[CRUSADER]

These stones were almost always perfect rounded shape.
At least the ones I have seen. These Boleadoras were
confectionated with two somtimes even three stones.
If you allow me, I will send this photo to an specialist friend
of mine in Uruguay in order to have his opinion as well. OK?
The last recorded history use of these weapons by the Gauchos
were during the civil wars in Uruguay in 1904.
By that time ,the stones were wrap in leder.
They say an expert could get a rider and his horse hit a distance up to
100 meters !

arhhh, I couldn't make out that yours was round, mine is less round so more likely for a different purpose.

 

[rammjäger]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

 

[rammjäger]

In the opinion of my friend,yours is an european one.
But in Europa this weapon didn't evolutionate as it
in America did.

 

[CRUSADER]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

Its a ploughed field close to a river that has been farmed since the Roman Period. I've had every period for the last 2000 years from this field.

 

[rammjäger]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

Let us not forget that yours was most importantly found on a beach. I think a net weight is more probable than a bola, or "throwing weapon".

That of Crusader could be for other purpose .
But mine is undoubtly a "bola" .Many of them were found in this area of our coutry.

 

[rammjäger]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

Let us not forget that yours was most importantly found on a beach. I think a net weight is more probable than a bola, or "throwing weapon".

That of Crusader could be for other purpose .
But mine is undoubtly a "bola" .Many of them were found in this area of our coutry.

How are you sure it is not a net weight? What were they throwing bola stones at on the beach?

According to an expert ,this one ( there were two for each boleadora) is above all for hunting mustangs (horses) and as weapon of war could be used too.
There are others which are slightly bigger ,they were used to hunt avestruces or ñandúes by the aborigenes.
The south costs of our land are all beaches against the atlantic ocean. The aborigenes used to fish there too (but not with boleadoras )

 

[rammjäger]

You are free to think whatever you please. I have lived there many years
of my life and I know our history.
Go ahead and keep thinking that is a net weight - it's OK for me .....
HH
Miguel

 

[chirper97]

Nice thread!

Thanks for great photos; good debate as to identity of artifact.

 

[Silver Searcher]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

Its a ploughed field close to a river that has been farmed since the Roman Period. I've had every period for the last 2000 years from this field.

I know the Romans used sling shot, but they would have been more circular, then again yours has the groove around for the sling :P

 

[Silver Searcher]

You are free to think whatever you please. I have lived there many years
of my life and I know our history.
Go ahead and keep thinking that is a net weight - it's OK for me .....
HH
Miguel

I agree with you why would you need a perfectly round stone for a net weight surely it's properties are aerodynamic.

 

[CRUSADER]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

Its a ploughed field close to a river that has been farmed since the Roman Period. I've had every period for the last 2000 years from this field.

I know the Romans used sling shot, but they would have been more circular, then again yours has the groove around for the sling :P

The stone ones where generally circular, but have you seen the lead ones which are more egg shaped.

I emailed a number of experts & no-one could give a good answer. All I know is it hangs well off a string so I thought it to be a sort of loom weight or net weight.

I don't think this is anything particular, I was just comparing, until he said it was round & then I realised mine was completely different.

 

[Silver Searcher]

It would be a great help to know in what place yours
was found .For instance,in a populated area or not.
And how deep.....

Its a ploughed field close to a river that has been farmed since the Roman Period. I've had every period for the last 2000 years from this field.

I know the Romans used sling shot, but they would have been more circular, then again yours has the groove around for the sling :P

The stone ones where generally circular, but have you seen the lead ones which are more egg shaped.

I emailed a number of experts & no-one could give a good answer. All I know is it hangs well off a string so I thought it to be a sort of loom weight or net weight.

I don't think this is anything particular, I was just comparing, until he said it was round & then I realised mine was completely different.

I like it......... I think it's a great eyeball find

 

[rammjäger]

Just yesterday ,here in german TV I was looking at a film.
The story (apparently real) of a rich british gentleman who
went to live with the north american indians during the colonial period.
This tribe was been exterminated by other enemy tribes , s
o he teached them how to fight with different weapons and tactics.
Among them the boleadoras as throwing weapon included !
Unfortunatelly I don't remember the Film's title
Grüsse,
Mike

 

[Silver Searcher]

Just yesterday ,here in german TV I was looking at a film.
The story (apparently real) of a rich british gentleman who
went to live with the north american indians during the colonial period.
This tribe was been exterminated, so he teached them how to fight
with different weapons and tactics. Among them the boleadoras included !
Unfortunatelly I don't remember the Film's title
Grüsse,
Mike

Hi... is that the one with Richard Harris in :P a man called Horse

 

[rammjäger]

Just yesterday ,here in german TV I was looking at a film.
The story (apparently real) of a rich british gentleman who
went to live with the north american indians during the colonial period.
This tribe was been exterminated, so he teached them how to fight
with different weapons and tactics. Among them the boleadoras included !
Unfortunatelly I don't remember the Film's title
Grüsse,
Mike

Hi... is that the one with Richard Harris in :P a man called Horse

Yes ! - that's the film !
The part of the film where an indian woman causes a horseman to fall down to the ground...